This is why we should bring back the death penalty

[bluewanda]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14918815/drug-addicted-cross-dresser-abused-lover-murder-son-hospital-ward.html

(One example of many.)

The thing that’s disturbing here is your post, tbf.

So once someone is over what age? 18 it’s ok but 17 isn’t?

I look at that child’s innocent face and I see my own DC at that age. It’s horrific.

’Evil’ isn’t a measure of someone or a scientific concept. Even is we did have the death penalty, cases like this one would still happen. Take a look at the USA if you are still unsure.

Your anger would be better spent on challenging the domestic abuse crisis we have in this country. This POS had a history of domestic abuse, social services were involved and nurses called security a few times because of his intimidating manner yet nothing was done about him. I'm sick to death of abusers thriving in the UK.

I agree that that is a problem.

But the answer is to lock them up for life, not turn ourselves into killers and execute them.

Nobody is saying it’s untrue.

@RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie You say what you need to say to ensure a better night's sleep.

I think there is something particularly repulsive about torturing and killing a child who is completely at the mercy of their abuser and has no hope of fighting back. Like when Star Hobson’s killer drove her to a car park and slapped her repeatedly while she was strapped into a car seat. She was one year old. Do I need to go on?

A life 4 a life. Accidents are different but 4 murder yes.

100%

I don’t want to raise my children in a county that has state sanctioned murder. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Ridiculous. In general, civilised countries don't have the death penalty.

If you feel that strongly about it, why don’t you do something constructive that would actually have real world value? Enter social work. Volunteer for a relevant charity. Look into fostering.

@UnderCoverB0ss

www.cravenherald.co.uk/news/19703048.star-hobson-brockhill-caught-cctv-punching-slapping-baby/

Do you not feel that strongly about it? I mean, how can anyone not?

Miscarriages of justice are a thing.

Timothy Evans
Mahmood Mattan
George Kelly

Just off the top of my head, there are plenty more

In cases like this and things such as mass shootings with eye witnesses where we know without a doubt who has done it, it's hard to argue that these people deserve to live.

It isn’t a case of ‘deserving to live’ though. As it happens I don’t think they do deserve life and the privileges that life brings us.

But we as a society do not deserve to be put in the position of killers. And we don’t need to be. We can just lock them up, and it could be for life.

This makes even less sense than your previous post. Crying on MN and baying for blood doesn’t give you a moral high ground, so please stop pretending it does.

So murdering innocent people is fine? (Given miscarriages of justice etc) Reducing the likelihood of guilty people being punished is ok? (A serious sentence like this demands higher standards of evidence, plus juries are much warier - as in cases where chemical castration was used as punishment for rape etc, heck rape cases full stop) Forcing people to murder as part of their job is ok - with the damage it will do them? Doing this whilst not reducing crime is fine? (It has been shown the death penalty doesn’t act as a deterrent). You want murder used as punishment, with no possibility of redemption, knowing innocent people will die and it won’t reduce crime? Given all that, I don’t think it’s the people who are against the death penalty that are the disturbed ones.

I wonder how many miscarriages of justice there have been for child killers.

I agree with your post, but I would substitute “could” with “ should”.

So state sanctioned murder is fine? Even when people are later found to be innocent? Right.

I’m completely opposed to the death penalty for reasons already given above. But also because generally those who have committed the most heinous crimes would chose death if they had the choice (Epstein, West, murderer of John Hunts family, the men who kill their families and then attempt to kill themselves (as reported today, Fermanagh). They chose not to face their crimes, they don’t deserve that choice.

Of course I feel strongly about it, but I don’t think that arguing in favour of the DP on Mumsnet is going to be even remotely helpful in preventing these awful crimes.