This is why we should bring back the death penalty

[bluewanda]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14918815/drug-addicted-cross-dresser-abused-lover-murder-son-hospital-ward.html

(One example of many.)

Good point.

You do a grand job just wanted to tell you. You don't get enough thanks.
I feel really annoyed that you have to risk your life every day and run the risk of being attacked every day.

It must be he'll on earth ha ing to deal with some of the dregs of society.

This.

Thankyou @passingstranger and @UpDo

half the time I’m running around and so short on time (as we are so short staffed) I’m not aware of what crime they are in for, not that it makes any difference to me

Sean Conroy smoking cannabis and watching tv in prison. Having a whale of a time, using his mobile to upload a video of him enjoying himself. His crime was torture and false imprisonment -

Natalie Ennis (38) was taken to a flat in Henrietta House, central Dublin, over a false accusation about missing drugs, was beaten around the head and body with metal poles, burned with a makeshift blowtorch and a heated hammer head, cut with a knife, kicked and punched, had her hair cut off and was threatened with rape.

Prison works doesn’t it. He’s really suffering. 🙄

tell themselves they are good people because they want to allow beasts to continue to destroy, taint and tarnish every human life they come in contact with

@ohnotthisagain2025, absolutely no-one on this thread or generally is saying they want to allow murderers to be allowed to continue. This has been pointed out to you already. Why do you persist with this lie?

John Mortimer, the writer/barrister, used to say the most gentle, calm criminals he came across were generally the murderers, because the one person in their lives who had really been bugging them was no longer around.

If you think prisons are like holiday camps, you have stayed in some very strange holiday camps. I certainly haven't come across one where you have to share a room with three thugs and and an open toilet, get locked up for most of the day, get food someone's spat in, have to watch your back in the open shower facilities all the time, and have other inmates shouting and screaming all night.

The case you cite doesn't show that the sentence was seven years. It was the minimum term before the prisoner can apply for parole, and was increased to almost nine years. The processing of an application for parole in itself takes a long time, and there is absolutely no guarantee that a prisoner will get it, particularly in relation to offences like these where the parole board has to be particularly careful about any potential danger to the public. Plus the fact that it is a life sentence means that after release the prisoner can be recalled to prison at any time without trial.

The US would have to do something about its gun laws also. It says something about the general disregard for human life there that they have both a serious lack of gun control and ineffective sanctions for murder.

Japan is not really comparable because in practice the death penalty is only used for aggravated murder, so it doesn't apply to one-off killings. Despite that, the statistics show that it is not a deterrent, and there are major concerns in Japan about wrongly convicted people being executed.

What's the relevance of that? He wasn't in the UK.

The relevance is that prison doesn’t work as a deterrent either. Are you naive enough to think this doesn’t go on in the prisons where you live.
Life doesn’t mean life in the U.K. this scumbag gets 12 years, do you tho k the U.K. would give him longer?

a prisoner is allowed a tv….. why not?

the phone/cannabis ingress is a continual problem ALL PRISONS face.

it’s not a luxury provided to him

The report refers to a man on remand with access to a mobile phone. The fact that he was on remand means that the issue of deterrence is, again, of limited relevance. He was convicted of assault and does not appear to have been given a life sentence.

Obviously prison isn't a great deterrent, given the incidence of recidivism. That doesn't constitute any sort of argument for capital punishment.

The point of prison is not supposed to be suffering, it is to confine those who are incorrigible to keep others safe from them and to rehabilitate those who can be rehabilitated.

You almost got me with that one. Then I realized he couldn't possibly have been serious. 😄

Well it bloody should be.

At the end of the day the logic is quite simple. All crimes are committed by living people. A dead criminal can commit no further crimes. If all criminals were dead there would be no crime. Therefore the death sentence should be brought back.

Your logic is not so much simple as comically simplistic.

Its tragically simplistic to not be able to realise that if innocent people can be put to death by mistake, you could be one of them.

You're now saying it should be brought back for all crimes? Even if you did that, all criminals would not be dead, only the ones stupid or unlucky enough to get caught or poor enough not to be able to have competent legal help. So you'd be giving wealthy, clever and lucky criminals a benefit. In effect it amounts to killing people for being poor, stupid or having bad luck.
There is no logic, simple or otherwise, in what you suggest.