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echt · 31/07/2025 01:41

PassingStranger · 31/07/2025 00:50

There's another way to look at this. While we don't have the dp then prisoner officers will always be at risk from people like the creature who killed the girls in Southport.

He's a danger to officers every day and has attacked them. It's not really going to attract people to work in prisons.

Who will run the prisons when officers all leave because of people like him?

Someone like him, would be so much better off dead. He's killed people on the outside and is still trying to attack and maim inside.
Why should staff live in fear?

Just what purpose is he serving being alive?

Everyone in prison is not like him.

ohnotthisagain2025 · 31/07/2025 01:42

PassingStranger · 31/07/2025 00:50

There's another way to look at this. While we don't have the dp then prisoner officers will always be at risk from people like the creature who killed the girls in Southport.

He's a danger to officers every day and has attacked them. It's not really going to attract people to work in prisons.

Who will run the prisons when officers all leave because of people like him?

Someone like him, would be so much better off dead. He's killed people on the outside and is still trying to attack and maim inside.
Why should staff live in fear?

Just what purpose is he serving being alive?

It makes those who are too cowardly to accept reality, too fortunate to have ever dealt with monsters or real violence, too blinkered to understand that they should stay silent on issues they don't understand - it makes them feel better.

They can sip on a smoothie in their safe little bubbles, and nod sagely at the others of their ilk who have never faced these monsters, and tell themselves they are good people because they want to allow beasts to continue to destroy, taint and tarnish every human life they come in contact with. Rather than having the courage to accept that it is the right, moral, humane and kind thing to put them down.

I could say I wish they had to reap what they sowed and that defenders of these creatures actually had to come in direct contact with these monsters. But I am too ethical and moral and humane for that.

I just wish they would somehow realise that they are not, in any way, better people for being moral cowards who care about appearing nice far more than about the reality of the damage done to humans by allowing these creatures to live.

outlanderish · 31/07/2025 01:52

I've always been pro death penalty. A life for a life, as long as they have been proven guilty and there's absolutely no way they could potentially be innocent. Pedophiles/rapists should be castrated the second they are caught, murderers should be hung/sentenced to death and so fourth. Let's take United Arab Emirates, there is very little criminal activity taking place over there, because their prisons are absolutely vile to be in and you will lose your hand for as little as being caught stealing a lollipop. Crime rates would drop drastically if we brought back capital punishment. We're far too soft now, this is why crime is at an all time high.

hhtddbkoygv · 31/07/2025 02:02

How would the death penalty have prevented this child's death?

echt · 31/07/2025 02:02

I've always been pro death penalty. A life for a life, as long as they have been proven guilty and there's absolutely no way they could potentially be innocent

The Birmingham Six were proven guilty, except of course they weren't. Good job there was no death penalty then.

Timothy Evans was not so fortunate.

The murder rate in the UK is decreasing.

MuckFusk · 31/07/2025 02:11

echt · 30/07/2025 04:19

I absolutely stand by my post, and despite the cowards who want to allow non humans to continue mauling, murdering, raping and destroying children, and their desperate attempts to soothe themselves, I am right

Firstly, no-one has said people should be allowed to commit those crimes. Stop making stuff up.

Listen to yourself - all the name-calling of those who don't agree with you; cowards, immoral fools, idiots. DO, try and make decent arguments, it's so important.

Non-human monsters? If they weren't human it's doubtful you'd be calling for the death penalty because that is reserved for humans. Dodgy logic.

They are not human. And if you are incredibly privileged enough not to know that, count yourself incredibly fortunate.
What does that even mean?

It's a good thing that the chances of reinstatement of capital punishment are vanishingly small.

It's amusing that she keeps quoting herself, posting a bunch of crazy insults and accusations, making it look like she's trolling herself.
There seem to be some bats screeching away in that belfry.

MuckFusk · 31/07/2025 02:19

outlanderish · 31/07/2025 01:52

I've always been pro death penalty. A life for a life, as long as they have been proven guilty and there's absolutely no way they could potentially be innocent. Pedophiles/rapists should be castrated the second they are caught, murderers should be hung/sentenced to death and so fourth. Let's take United Arab Emirates, there is very little criminal activity taking place over there, because their prisons are absolutely vile to be in and you will lose your hand for as little as being caught stealing a lollipop. Crime rates would drop drastically if we brought back capital punishment. We're far too soft now, this is why crime is at an all time high.

Edited

You mean no trials at all, just immediate castration without due process? That's creepy as hell.

It has long been established that the death penalty does not act as a deterrent. There are many studies which show this.

I might point out to you that there are no cases in which it's impossible for a person to be innocent. That would only be the case if the person was caught in the act by multiple, unimpeachable witnesses, which rarely, if ever, happens.

If you want a draconian regime like Saudi Arabia, you should be very careful what you wish for.

MuckFusk · 31/07/2025 02:28

ohnotthisagain2025 · 31/07/2025 01:42

It makes those who are too cowardly to accept reality, too fortunate to have ever dealt with monsters or real violence, too blinkered to understand that they should stay silent on issues they don't understand - it makes them feel better.

They can sip on a smoothie in their safe little bubbles, and nod sagely at the others of their ilk who have never faced these monsters, and tell themselves they are good people because they want to allow beasts to continue to destroy, taint and tarnish every human life they come in contact with. Rather than having the courage to accept that it is the right, moral, humane and kind thing to put them down.

I could say I wish they had to reap what they sowed and that defenders of these creatures actually had to come in direct contact with these monsters. But I am too ethical and moral and humane for that.

I just wish they would somehow realise that they are not, in any way, better people for being moral cowards who care about appearing nice far more than about the reality of the damage done to humans by allowing these creatures to live.

Edited

See a psychiatrist. You obviously have a lot of anger rooted in trauma and you're taking it out on strangers on the internet. That isn't healthy.
I think you actually do wish ill on people who don't support the death penalty, which is why you made that comment. When people say "I could say" something that's nasty, they really mean they want to say it but know they will be blasted for it. I do not believe you are as ethical and humane as you tell yourself you are. You're spitting hatred, bile and false accusations towards people just because they don't share your views. That is hardly ethical or humane. Get some proper help instead of rage-spewing on the internet for goodness sake.

MuckFusk · 31/07/2025 02:38

PassingStranger · 31/07/2025 00:50

There's another way to look at this. While we don't have the dp then prisoner officers will always be at risk from people like the creature who killed the girls in Southport.

He's a danger to officers every day and has attacked them. It's not really going to attract people to work in prisons.

Who will run the prisons when officers all leave because of people like him?

Someone like him, would be so much better off dead. He's killed people on the outside and is still trying to attack and maim inside.
Why should staff live in fear?

Just what purpose is he serving being alive?

It isn't just murderers who attack prison guards. All kinds of prisoners do that. So no, it would not make prisons any safer. Very often murderers, particularly killers of women and children and serial killers in general, will be the targets of other prisoners. Jeffrey Dahmer, for example, was forced to dress as a girl and sexually assaulted for years before finally being murdered. There are a great many cases of killers being murdered in prison or killing themselves because they couldn't stand to live if they were being preyed on like they preyed on the innocent.

OonaStubbs · 31/07/2025 03:04

It doesn't help when you have sentences of as little as seven years in prison being called "a life sentence".

If life meant life and prisons went back to being proper prisons, and not holiday camps, I think there would be far fewer people calling for a return of the death sentence.

Custody photograph of Tracy Turner, 52. She has brown hair pulled back in a ponytail, with a brown full fringe. She has blue eyes, wears a nose ring and looks at the camera.

Tracy Turner sees sentence reduced after planning child sex attacks

Officials have used the “slip rule” to adjust the sentences of Stuart Compton and Tracy Turner.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgkr182gg21o

juggleit · 31/07/2025 04:54

No , we shouldnt have the desth penalty, they ahould pay for their crimes, one day at a time, rotting in prison.

CurlewKate · 31/07/2025 06:29

OonaStubbs · 31/07/2025 03:04

It doesn't help when you have sentences of as little as seven years in prison being called "a life sentence".

If life meant life and prisons went back to being proper prisons, and not holiday camps, I think there would be far fewer people calling for a return of the death sentence.

Nothing says “you don’t know what’s going on” more than saying “prisons are like holiday camps” and not understanding that the sentence given in this case isn’t the time until these people are released but the time until there is the possibility of them being considered for parole.

ilovesooty · 31/07/2025 06:58

CurlewKate · 31/07/2025 06:29

Nothing says “you don’t know what’s going on” more than saying “prisons are like holiday camps” and not understanding that the sentence given in this case isn’t the time until these people are released but the time until there is the possibility of them being considered for parole.

I've asked her how many prisons she's been in. She hasn't answered.

UpDo · 31/07/2025 07:06

We don't live in a society with sufficiently robust and infallible criminal justice systems to avoid executing innocent people, so no.

OonaStubbs · 31/07/2025 07:13

CurlewKate · 31/07/2025 06:29

Nothing says “you don’t know what’s going on” more than saying “prisons are like holiday camps” and not understanding that the sentence given in this case isn’t the time until these people are released but the time until there is the possibility of them being considered for parole.

Why is someone that received a so-called "life sentence" being considered for parole after only seven years?

randomchap · 31/07/2025 07:53

OonaStubbs · 31/07/2025 07:13

Why is someone that received a so-called "life sentence" being considered for parole after only seven years?

Because they spend their whole life on licence, meaning that they can be recalled to prison at any time if they breach the terms of their release or commit another crime.

A life sentence is not a whole life order.

Allisnotlost1 · 31/07/2025 07:57

outlanderish · 31/07/2025 01:52

I've always been pro death penalty. A life for a life, as long as they have been proven guilty and there's absolutely no way they could potentially be innocent. Pedophiles/rapists should be castrated the second they are caught, murderers should be hung/sentenced to death and so fourth. Let's take United Arab Emirates, there is very little criminal activity taking place over there, because their prisons are absolutely vile to be in and you will lose your hand for as little as being caught stealing a lollipop. Crime rates would drop drastically if we brought back capital punishment. We're far too soft now, this is why crime is at an all time high.

Edited

The UAE don’t amputate hands as punishment.

Countries like Saudi and Iran that have extreme and draconian punishment often do have less recorded crime, but a large part of that is because things we consider a crime - particularly violence against women and children - are simply not crimes there. If we made it legal to beat your children, or control your female relatives, we’d have a lot less crime here too.

I don’t know about you but I think I prefer it here.

CurlewKate · 31/07/2025 08:01

OonaStubbs · 31/07/2025 07:13

Why is someone that received a so-called "life sentence" being considered for parole after only seven years?

To be honest, for someone so outspoken and confident on the subject I’m surprised you don’t know…..

YouWillFindMeInTheGarden · 31/07/2025 18:33

I wasn’t surprised

Oona doesnt have a clue! It’s entertaining if nothing else!

OonaStubbs · 31/07/2025 18:38

Or to put it another way, why is a sentence of as little as seven years termed a "life sentence" by our justice system? A life sentence should mean going to prison until you die. Come up with another name for a short sentence where they live with conditions attached which if breached could mean a return to prison.

And prisons should go back to being proper prisons, like dungeons, with bread, water and hard labour.

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 31/07/2025 18:47

I think we can all see what an amazing success the death penalty has been in the US where half the states have the death penalty and their rates for murder and violent crime are far worse than ours.

OonaStubbs · 31/07/2025 18:58

So if the US abolished the death penalty the murder and crime rates would drop as a result?

Japan has the death penalty and very low crime.

windyfarmers · 31/07/2025 19:05

MuckFusk · 30/07/2025 01:22

That post creeped me right out. It could be a speech Hitler might have made, totally verbatim. Subhumans, polluting the gene pool, animals, and on and on.
I know we're talking about murderers, not a whole race of people, so it's not the same, but anything that sounds like Nazi type rhetoric makes me cringe.

Her argument would also be his defence in her awful world. He killed a baby that had his genes therefore he 1) was removing them from the gene pool 2) only killed another sub-human which I'm guessing wouldn't even be a crime

YouWillFindMeInTheGarden · 31/07/2025 19:12

OonaStubbs · 31/07/2025 18:38

Or to put it another way, why is a sentence of as little as seven years termed a "life sentence" by our justice system? A life sentence should mean going to prison until you die. Come up with another name for a short sentence where they live with conditions attached which if breached could mean a return to prison.

And prisons should go back to being proper prisons, like dungeons, with bread, water and hard labour.

No they really shouldn't

prisoners would be hell bent on attacking staff in those conditions. I don’t go to work for that thanks

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 31/07/2025 19:14

OonaStubbs · 31/07/2025 18:58

So if the US abolished the death penalty the murder and crime rates would drop as a result?

Japan has the death penalty and very low crime.

If the US abolished the death penalty my money is on there being no change to the murder and crime rates. Same in Japan. Same if we brought in the death penalty here. It's a shitty deterrent but it carries with it the horrendous risk of the state killing innocent people.

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