This is why we should bring back the death penalty

[bluewanda]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14918815/drug-addicted-cross-dresser-abused-lover-murder-son-hospital-ward.html

(One example of many.)

Literally a fence rail. It was an old time custom to cut one down, force someone considered an undesirable to straddle it while multiple people carried the miscreant on it out of town.

I’d rather he suffered in prison!

Whole life sentence with the option for voluntary if he wants out early.

Thats what they do to child killers in Belgium.

Again, the creature in this article is not a human being. You lose your right to be called human when you choose these behaviours. I would put that creature down, immediately. And all creatures like him. It is the ONLY way that societies can ever hope to heal. The monumental damage done by these monstrous non humans is enormous. They pollute the gene pool, they cause immense and unfixable harm that spreads out in widening pool - forever.

It is a cowardly, morally bankrupt act to pretend otherwise. It is the difficult and right thing to do. Rabid dogs are shot, these creatures should also be euthanised. No human being should ever have to feed them, clothe them, talk to them, give them medical treatment or otherwise interact with non humans, that is stripping actual humans of THEIR human rights. No amount of money should be wasted on feeding them or keeping them housed.

Put them down. If you are too weak to make the right moral decision, there are others who will do it for you.

Every killer? Even those who kill in self-defence, or out of fear, or as the result of intolerable stresses, or out of mercy for a terminally ill relative in awful pain? How about where the killing is found to be manslaughter? Where exactly do you draw the line?

The trouble is, no matter how many times you claim the obvious, the simple fact is that this person is a human. Our law says we must not kill other humans. It's just specious and disingenuous to try to get around that by making unsustainable claims like this.

There are no exceptions to human rights, the right to life being the most important one. To start making exceptions for certain kinds of people would set a dangerous precedent. It has a brutalizing effect on society when the state declares that not all humans have the right to live. Your post has a creepy eugenicist feel to it with those comments about polluting the gene pool and certain members of society not being human. Those kind of ideas were popular in Germany in the 1930s and you will no doubt remember that it did not end well.
Being a murderer is not genetic, so there's no polluting of the gene pool involved.
Killers are humans. They're just shitty humans. They should be harshly punished for being shitty enough to take a life. It is not necessary to kill them. Life without parole is more than sufficient.

That post creeped me right out. It could be a speech Hitler might have made, totally verbatim. Subhumans, polluting the gene pool, animals, and on and on.
I know we're talking about murderers, not a whole race of people, so it's not the same, but anything that sounds like Nazi type rhetoric makes me cringe.

I absolutely stand by my post, and despite the cowards who want to allow non humans to continue mauling, murdering, raping and destroying children, and their desperate attempts to soothe themselves, I am right.

Once again, if you are capable of this you are not human. Only cowardly, immoral fools pretend not to understand that.

It's always the same over privileged idiots who have never experienced the sheer horror of an attack or seen a murdered or raped child or spent any more than ten seconds in their whole social scrabbling lives in true terror who whine and snivel about the rights of non humans.

Or - worse - those who identify with the non human monsters. They're always evident on these sorts of threads too.

If you are feigning a faux attack of the vapours at putting down rabid dogs who are not human and are capable of the slaughter, murder and rape of children, sit down and shut up.

As always, those who know what it means to protect innocent people - including over privileged fools like you - will have to step up and do your job for you.

So yes, execute these cancers on society. They are not human. And if you are incredibly privileged enough not to know that, count yourself incredibly fortunate.

I absolutely stand by my post, and despite the cowards who want to allow non humans to continue mauling, murdering, raping and destroying children, and their desperate attempts to soothe themselves, I am right

Firstly, no-one has said people should be allowed to commit those crimes. Stop making stuff up.

Listen to yourself - all the name-calling of those who don't agree with you; cowards, immoral fools, idiots. DO, try and make decent arguments, it's so important.

Non-human monsters? If they weren't human it's doubtful you'd be calling for the death penalty because that is reserved for humans. Dodgy logic.

They are not human. And if you are incredibly privileged enough not to know that, count yourself incredibly fortunate.
What does that even mean?

It's a good thing that the chances of reinstatement of capital punishment are vanishingly small.

The instant people start resorting to name calling and insults they have lost the argument.

because typically people only do that when they have nothing intelligent to say.

It’s interesting that not one supporter of the death penalty on this thread has formulated a reasoned argument for why it should be reinstated.

The arguments for are based purely on emotion, the wish for revenge, and in some instances, disturbingly, some posters’ clearly psychopathic tendencies dressed up as desire for justice.

How can opposition to the death penalty amount to "immense privilege" when it is the position of the majority of people in the UK?

Are you able to comprehend why many actual victims of violent crime and their families remain opposed to the death penalty - or is anyone under any circumstances who disagrees with your opinion a privileged, cowardly, immoral fool?

How is the death penalty a way to serve the law abiding public when there is clearly evidence it doesn't deter or reduce serious crime? Increases the risk of violent criminals being free in society because jurors are more reluctant to convict them? And actually, as you admit, results in a small number of law abiding citizens being wrongly put to death?

Lastly, in your system, how does it work if someone murders a fellow "non human"? Should vigilantism against murderers attract the death penalty? What if the status of the victim as human Vs non human can't be determined / proved?

Thanks

ohnotthisagain2025 You don't sound well informed, I recommend you read 'Predators' by Anna Salter;
www.amazon.co.uk/Predators-Pedophiles-Rapists-Other-Offenders/dp/0465071732

still someone’s sons and daughters

i would leave the service (already incredibly short staffed) if the DP was brought back. As would many of my colleagues

who will run your prisons then?

Prison staff would run the prisons, just as they do in countries that have the DP. Which is not just the USA.

When we discuss this at work ( in a prison) I have not met one single member of staff who would stay if a DP was brought in

i doubt many would and as it stands we are all bending over backwards to keep prisoners alive!! DP is the opposite to our values

there’s a chronic staff shortage problem. There will be no staff to run the prisons. So what then Oona?? What then?

Would it be wise for someone currently working among prisoners to be openly in favour of the death penalty?

How many prisons have you been in?

For those who think that it could never happen that the death penalty is brought back in the UK, just remember that Brexit used to be the province of an extreme few parties and then one day we had a referendum and it happened.

The same could easily happen with the death penalty.

In the USA there were no executions from
1967 - 1977 and everyone in the 70s thought it would never come back there. There was even a Supreme Court judgement in 1972 that said it was unconatitutional, but that got overturned.

There were even some US states that hadn’t had an execution for decades that started doing them again in the 90s and 2000s after not having done them since the 40s and 50s, so it’s not such a remote possibility.

The last execution in the UK was in 1964 so there are still plenty of people around (including my DM and DF) who remember when we had the death penalty here.

and where would this money come from??

the prison service is on its knees as it is

The person in the case killed his own offspring. Your creepy concern about him ‘polluting the gene pool’ is therefore allayed. But by your logic, you also see the children of the Wests, of Levi Bellfeld etc as pollution, rather than people.

How disgusting.

‘Law breakers’ mean you, Oona, have the vote. I wonder how many times you’ve broken the law. Driven too fast, not bought a train ticket, drunk or smoked under age, taken drugs, not owned up when given the wrong change, or kept a fiver you found on the floor, taken your child out of school for a holiday, dropped litter…

There's another way to look at this. While we don't have the dp then prisoner officers will always be at risk from people like the creature who killed the girls in Southport.

He's a danger to officers every day and has attacked them. It's not really going to attract people to work in prisons.

Who will run the prisons when officers all leave because of people like him?

Someone like him, would be so much better off dead. He's killed people on the outside and is still trying to attack and maim inside.
Why should staff live in fear?

Just what purpose is he serving being alive?

So yes, execute these monstrous non human cancers on society. It is literally the only normal, humane, moral and ethical thing to do.

You again.

You have made no ethical or moral case for the death penalty.