To think the BMA have misjudged with another doctor's strike? Thread 2

[Locutus2000]

Rolling this over as people still seem to have something to say but no new poll.

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AIBU to think the BMA have misjudged with another doctor's strike?

Last year they got more than anyone else in the NHS along with an improved deal. Nurses and other AHPs received lower rises.

BMA have just announced another 'resident' doctor strike continuing to chase pay restoration to 2008 levels.

Having just had the major win with changes to IMG prioritisation and the clamp-down on PAs it feels a bit tone-deaf and I can't see Streeting going for it.

No-one is 'starting'. Merely posting a comment about integrity and then replying to your direct statement then question.

F2s have been doctors for 17 months when they apply to specialty training. It is a points based system that takes account of things like international conferences etc so IMGs that have been doctors for on average 10+ years have advantage over UKMGs.

UK specialty training is designed to follow on from F2 not doctors for 10+ years.

Haha three. I must have seen double they're used by you so often.

Me too 😂😂😂😂

Thanks for saying this Sevillian, I've said similar on a current thread - the mum was asking what time UCAS opened or something similar. I suggested their son/daughter should really know this, and had lots of unkind comments towards me, about if I felt superior b/c my own DC was able to navigate things for themself.

In any case, the fangirling some posters exhibit for each other is keeping me amused. I'm on holiday and this is almost better than people watching.
But also. It's boring. It was interesting at the beginning. It's ok to disagree. Facts stand up for themselves. Some newly graduated doctors will of course be better than others. There are better universities than others. That's ok, it's how the world works. Going backwards, there are primary schools better than others for lots of reasons. And it's like this all the way up to HE institutions. Some of the links provided make for interesting reading. My skin in the game is a newly qualified resident doctor DC. I reckon people wandering into this thread do a quick U-turn. And then nothing new is gained or learned.

Everyone has become wise to BMA propaganda with cherry-picked numbers.

Suggesting Band 2 HCAs are better paid than doctors makes the whole assertion ridiculous.

Who has made anything up?

I would bet £££ that @Sevillian and @Marchesman have not, and I know I have not. Or are you referring to someone else?

TBF there is the occasional poster on the HE Board who is so intimidated by the university application process that we get similar questions there. I agree with you both in principle but DC loyalty to their family’s way of life, guilt about being the first to break away, etc, can play out in a complex manner.

I assume these DC have the usual spectrum of ability and intelligence.

@Sevillian sorry for tagging you on my post of 11.24. I hope you know I was thinking of a precursor post.

Please have some sense. You have aligned yourself with no idea about those characters or their agendas. You know they are targeting both myself and @mumsneedwine.

For someone boasting about a PhD (sorry not as impressive as you seem to think) I would have thought you would be more wary. Unless you already know each other. The anti-UKMG people on here hunt in packs.

Please read the the other two threads about UKMG unemployment and their posts attacking UKMGs. The meanest of intelligence would be wary of doing this so consistently in an open forum.

It is daft. Band 2 had to be given a pay rise in April as they were below national minimum wage. Drs pay scale incorporates enhancements into the over all pay, rather than taking bank holiday / weekends as they come. Drs didn't want to be on agenda for change.

@mumsneedwine hunting in packs a go go 😂

It's just this sort of message that isn't necessary. Why??

@PurpleFairyLights I'd love to know why they hate UK doctors but love IMGs. All v strange .....

I am not targeting anyone or boasting. I mentioned my degree because I recognise @Marchesman ’s style of writing on this thread from my own training. As quoted above, you asked me if I was making a threat when, in a post just above yours, I explained this.

I decided not to mention earlier why I recognised @Marchesman’s style. It is distinctive and familiar to anyone who knows scientific literature.

I gave my credentials to link things up. Now it appears necessary to do so in tedious detail.

On a bank holiday these are the pay rates. Facts matter.

Weakness

Again, the only response to not agreeing with you is insults.

Doctors do not out earn their assistants until 8 years post graduation. Working more hours and more shifts, more rotating and more exams.

Most professionals do not get paid overtime or pay for unsocial hours.

I sure wish academics did

@poetryandwine and me. And teachers. But then I don't work 13 hour night shifts and if I did I'd want to be paid for those.

Oh and v v few, if any, current resident doctors voted to be part of Agenda for Change in 2016. Maybe it's time for a revote as it's the current consultants, including the ones who think F1s are useless and PAs are better, who voted.

But so do lots of HCPs work nights. Nothing unique about doctors.

I cannot see your full chart. On what grounds are you claiming that nurses outearn doctors? Nurses start on £28,000 as of the 2025 pay rise.

I would like data from an objective source please

@poetryandwine er where did I say nurses out earn doctors ??? I posted the pay rates on a bank holiday when they do.

HCAs also get uplift if work nights ? What's your point ? They also get enhanced overtime from 7pm not 9pm.

This is NHSE figures. Not sure who else's figures to use.