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To want my kids and I to have passports?

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Marzipanface · 22/07/2025 00:49

My children and I don’t have passports. My husband does. He is the main breadwinner, I look after our two children who have some additional needs. As a result I do not work outside of the home. I simply don’t have the time due to caring commitments or the childcare and I’ve been out of the job market for a very long time due to a serious health condition. Thankfully I’ve recovered from it fingers crossed and then I became a SAHM to my two children. The plan was to go back to work when they were settled in school but life got in the way and now I have a teenager and a preteen who both have additional needs and some health issues and mainstream school never worked out for them both. I have no family support re: childcare or help.

As a result I have little economic to no economic independence from my DH. He has always been fairly reasonable about his salary and we consider it a joint income until it comes to big purchases, then he makes the decisions.

Two years ago my DH received a significant inheritance. The only thing I requested was could he please get me and the kids passports and could we try to take them in a trip to France or Spain. It doesn’t have to be exotic. I regularly have an issue with ID as I don’t drive and I would really like to take the kids abroad on holiday or on an educational short trip. He didn’t pay for them.

The kids are older now and regularly ask why we can’t go to another country or go on a plane/boat, and I have to explain that we don’t have passports.

I’ve had enough. I want a passport and I want to be able to take the kids somewhere. I also want to be able to go on a trip with friends on a city break instead of always having to make excuses. As usual my DH has demanded ‘why do we need them’ and told us he can’t afford them. He has now gone to bed in a piss because I’m having a ‘go again’ because my daughter is asking us for a passport and pointed out to me she is 15 and never been to another country.

He doesn’t care much for travelling despite having to do some for his work. He has told me yet again that I don’t need a passport. I’m fucking sick of it. AIBU?

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LokiDoki75 · 22/07/2025 17:17

I think that you really need to stress to him the importance of a passport being a form of photo ID rather than anything else and point out how difficult it is to do things without it. He has a passport and I assume he also has a driver’s licence so I doubt he’s realised how tricky things can be without them. My teenage son has some disabilities and we’re looking at getting him a passport for that reason as he’s unlikely to ever be able to drive.

Coconutter24 · 22/07/2025 17:23

Marzipanface · 22/07/2025 11:06

yes you are correct.

Having a passport is not a human right

soupyspoon · 22/07/2025 17:32

Marzipanface · 22/07/2025 17:06

I’d love to go back to work into a full-time paid job but that won’t happen.

It has to fit around really awkward tuition timetables, pick ups/drop offs and endless medical issues and hospital appointments for my teen. It also has to fit around my DHs work hours. The thought of caring for the children and doing all the domestic work all week and then having to go to a low paid job work doing most likely more cleaning and caring at the weekend/evenings and all the juggling of timetables, trying to be in more than one place at once just defeats me. I’ve had this conversation repeatedly with my DH and we usually end up agreeing that it isn’t worth the upheaval and hassle to everyones lives.
I then feel trapped. I fully expected to go back to work when the kids were older and in school full-time.

Well the 'upheaval and hassle' would be to his life, because he would or should be expected to share the child care and managing appointments and domestic chores if you worked.

So he persuades you its not worth it and just leave things as they are and in the meantime you continue to lose confidence about what you could do outside the home.

I would quickly solve the ID issue as its vital you have that and apply for your updated provisional and also a citizen card, the passport decision can wait given its ID that is necessary right now.

Then the move toward how you get your own independence off the ground.

Are the children open to the children with disabilities team at social services, do you get any respite (unlikely but I thought I would ask)

Bridesmaidorexfriend · 22/07/2025 17:40

mysecretshame · 22/07/2025 16:21

Are you married?
Does your husband allow you to have a passport?

I’m married, and we make decisions together, I manage the budget and every penny we spend is accounted for months in advance. So if a passport was needed then yes I’d get it, but I would have to change the budget to accommodate it. I couldn’t just spend £300 without planning for it and we both earn pretty good money. But other things are more important. If I just wanted my passport renewed just for the sake of it, then I think my OH would say yes go for it, but that’s because they have no idea how tight the budget is and would spend £600 on a LEGO set on a whim. Whereas I need to be the sensible one and decide actually I don’t need that passport right now or as I’m not going away anytime soon, I also have to be the one to say shall we budget that next month or just no - the car needs a new tyre and the holiday needs to be paid off so we can’t afford to do xyz in the next few months. It’s all well and good everyone jumping to the conclusion they have loads of money so she should just be able to take £300 out of the family budget but as far as I can see she’s not said that her DH is sitting on a small fortune and keeping it from her

cestlavielife · 22/07/2025 17:44

Pension credits towards you getting a state pension age 67 is not enough op
Your dh needs to be paying 2880 a year into a private pension for you (that is max for non employed) so from age 60 you can get small something in your name
You should claim carers allowance today first month buys your passport
Next 4 months pays for a trip on ferry to France

Ypu are deluding thinking he is not really controlling but speak about it with a counsellor via your gp

EmeraldShamrock000 · 22/07/2025 17:55

Marzipanface · 22/07/2025 16:52

You are very astute and perceptive. This is the exact issue really.

If this is your exact issue, why aren't you trying to share the financial stress by getting a job.

If he is worrying about money, then I agree that it is not the time to spend £200 on passports.

Skip centre parc, visit a glamping site , there is your passport money.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/07/2025 17:58

You will not be able to get a passport or go abroad until you divorce your arsehole of a husband, who is financially abusing you.

deathlydull · 22/07/2025 17:58

I suspect your DH is afraid of something OP. Maybe he’s afraid of you going away for a weekend and leaving him to look after the children. Or maybe he’s insecure and doesn’t want you to have the ‘freedom’ having a passport might give you.

The reasons are moot really, the point is he’s controlling things, which is an abuse of power.

This is your life OP, and will continue to be unless you change something. The question is, what are you prepared to do to change things? If anything?

Falseknock · 22/07/2025 17:58

Coconutter24 · 22/07/2025 17:23

Having a passport is not a human right

It's only for her husband is it?

Bonmot57 · 22/07/2025 18:00

Chompingatthebeat · 22/07/2025 15:32

Sorry that was in reply to bonmot57

Unless the OP’s DH is preventing her from working, either by stopping her outright, or making it logistically impossible, then of course she has agency to get up and get a job.

I find it baffling that in 2025 individuals are happy to throw away their independence and becoming a dependent adult. I see it all too often on here the results of such an unhealthy dynamic.

Alstromeria · 22/07/2025 18:02

Marzipanface · 22/07/2025 10:59

Thank you. This is the problem. I have DLA for one child but not for the other. The DLA is my income and it is taken up by food shopping, travel expenses and some medical expenses.

This is so shocking to read.

This is not him "transferring you money for bills". This is him financially abusing you by forcing the children's DLA money to be used for basic household expenses that should be coming out of his wages.

You need to contact Women's Aid, attend their meetings. If you have a DD over 14 she can attend too. He is very abusive and you just can't see it. Your idea of what normal behaviour is, is very very skewed.

When he does the weaponized incompetence thing when left to look after DC. That's not because he finds looking after them difficult. It's because he is using that tactic of weaponized incompetence to coercively control you. He is deliberately creating a situation where you are tied to the house/DC and can't work because of it.

Whenever you alter the ordinary, normal, reasonable behaviour that you would do, if you were able to, and swap that behaviour for a different behaviour because you're worried about the consequences of you don't, this is because you're being coercively controlled.

You could buy the passport out of the DLA then tell him to pay the electric bill this quarter because you're out of money, there's nothing wrong with that. But you won't do it because he'd kick off in some way. Blaming you for "wasting money", causing a row, sulking, silent treatment, expecting you to apologise and "make it up to him" as if you'd done something wrong and out of order, calling you names for disagreeing with his perspective and not doing what he wanted, letting the electric run out or be cut off to "teach you a lesson", etc etc etc. You won't do anything without his permission because you're scared of the consequences, because it's "easier" to comply with what he wants. You are being coercively controlled.

You say big decisions are joint, they aren't. He doesn't take your needs into account and you fully admit he has the final say. That's not joint decision making. These also aren't big purchases. These are ordinary small purchases. You literally have no spending money other than that needed to pay bills and buy food. This isn't because there's no spare money, it's because he's hoarding it all for himself. You are only allowed to have anything else if he approves it. That's financial control and it means you're in an abusive relationship.

As a bare minimum, contact the DWP to get Child Benefit, DLA and Carer's Allowance all paid directly from the government into your own bank account. Not into his account then transferred to you by him.

DLA is not "your income", it's money for disability related extras for DC. In a family in poverty this may include purchasing the ordinary family food shop (as opposed to special-needs foods) etc but you're family is not in poverty and the family food shop, utility bills, personal travel and other ordinary child related expenses should all be coming from his wages not from the DLA. He is deliberately putting you into a situation of poverty in order to control you.

Regarding passports it isn't that he doesn't understand the impact this has on you all. It's that he doesn't care. There's no words you can say that will ever make him understand. He already understands, he just doesn't care. Your needs aren't important to him, DC needs aren't important to him. All that matters to him is being in control.

Alstromeria · 22/07/2025 18:07

Your dh needs to be paying 2880 a year into a private pension for you (that is max for non employed)

Has it reduced? It used to be £3600 you could pay in as an unemployed person.

Alstromeria · 22/07/2025 18:14

but as far as I can see she’s not said that her DH is sitting on a small fortune and keeping it from her

He travels internationally for work, is a workaholic, doesn't give her any discretionary spending money it all has to be approved by him, doesn't pay inti a pension for her and I highly doubt she has sight of the paperwork pertaining to accounts in his sole name to know how much is in there hence not mentioning it.

So yeh, I'm pretty sure he IS sitting on a huge pot of money. Even if it's locked away as a big fat pension, or a second home she's got no idea exists, or an investment account with penalties if you remove it before the maturity date etc. Unless he's a secret gambler, financially supports all his extended family, or has a secret second family with another woman that OP doesn't know about, or something like that, which is where all the money has gone.

MMMMMBacon · 22/07/2025 18:18

think its a mindset thing OP - don't think of it as having to go to a low paid job - for the first time in 15 years , its your money in a way that even a conjoined twin's earnings can never fully be our own.

I dont usually see sympathy for the man on Mumsnet and rightly so in most cases, but if the kids have such extensive health issues that you can't work and they can't go to school - then perhaps he genuinely is worried about the future on a single income and overseas holidays as a luxury at the moment till things get better.

I am going to unwatch this thread now, but wish you the very best OP

Cosyblankets · 22/07/2025 18:20

I've read all OP posts.
I can't work because of my kids having needs etc.
They're also his kids!
He is extremely controlling if a couple of hundred quid from what should be family money needs a big discussion. A couple of hundred quid that he couldn't earn if you weren't at home

SpinachSpinachMoreSpinach · 22/07/2025 18:26

Alstromeria · 22/07/2025 18:02

This is so shocking to read.

This is not him "transferring you money for bills". This is him financially abusing you by forcing the children's DLA money to be used for basic household expenses that should be coming out of his wages.

You need to contact Women's Aid, attend their meetings. If you have a DD over 14 she can attend too. He is very abusive and you just can't see it. Your idea of what normal behaviour is, is very very skewed.

When he does the weaponized incompetence thing when left to look after DC. That's not because he finds looking after them difficult. It's because he is using that tactic of weaponized incompetence to coercively control you. He is deliberately creating a situation where you are tied to the house/DC and can't work because of it.

Whenever you alter the ordinary, normal, reasonable behaviour that you would do, if you were able to, and swap that behaviour for a different behaviour because you're worried about the consequences of you don't, this is because you're being coercively controlled.

You could buy the passport out of the DLA then tell him to pay the electric bill this quarter because you're out of money, there's nothing wrong with that. But you won't do it because he'd kick off in some way. Blaming you for "wasting money", causing a row, sulking, silent treatment, expecting you to apologise and "make it up to him" as if you'd done something wrong and out of order, calling you names for disagreeing with his perspective and not doing what he wanted, letting the electric run out or be cut off to "teach you a lesson", etc etc etc. You won't do anything without his permission because you're scared of the consequences, because it's "easier" to comply with what he wants. You are being coercively controlled.

You say big decisions are joint, they aren't. He doesn't take your needs into account and you fully admit he has the final say. That's not joint decision making. These also aren't big purchases. These are ordinary small purchases. You literally have no spending money other than that needed to pay bills and buy food. This isn't because there's no spare money, it's because he's hoarding it all for himself. You are only allowed to have anything else if he approves it. That's financial control and it means you're in an abusive relationship.

As a bare minimum, contact the DWP to get Child Benefit, DLA and Carer's Allowance all paid directly from the government into your own bank account. Not into his account then transferred to you by him.

DLA is not "your income", it's money for disability related extras for DC. In a family in poverty this may include purchasing the ordinary family food shop (as opposed to special-needs foods) etc but you're family is not in poverty and the family food shop, utility bills, personal travel and other ordinary child related expenses should all be coming from his wages not from the DLA. He is deliberately putting you into a situation of poverty in order to control you.

Regarding passports it isn't that he doesn't understand the impact this has on you all. It's that he doesn't care. There's no words you can say that will ever make him understand. He already understands, he just doesn't care. Your needs aren't important to him, DC needs aren't important to him. All that matters to him is being in control.

Thank you for spelling out what I was thinking!

Especially him using weaponized incompetence to coercively control her.

This isn’t about passports. It is about him not caring and absolutely needing to be in control:

There's no words you can say that will ever make him understand. He already understands, he just doesn't care. Your needs aren't important to him, DC needs aren't important to him. All that matters to him is being in control.

grumpygrape · 22/07/2025 18:43

LokiDoki75 · 22/07/2025 17:17

I think that you really need to stress to him the importance of a passport being a form of photo ID rather than anything else and point out how difficult it is to do things without it. He has a passport and I assume he also has a driver’s licence so I doubt he’s realised how tricky things can be without them. My teenage son has some disabilities and we’re looking at getting him a passport for that reason as he’s unlikely to ever be able to drive.

I think this is a very sensible track to take. Your children may soon be able to vote as well as need ID for other things. The opportunity to travel would almost be a secondary benefit.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 22/07/2025 19:33

Check if you're entitled to a carers payment, it'll help a little.

Mylovelygreendress · 22/07/2025 19:34

If one of your DC has DLA , you should be able to receive Carer’s Allowance which is about £80 per week .

Coconutter24 · 22/07/2025 19:38

Falseknock · 22/07/2025 17:58

It's only for her husband is it?

No it’s also not a human right for her husband

Falseknock · 22/07/2025 19:48

Coconutter24 · 22/07/2025 19:38

No it’s also not a human right for her husband

Are you being cantankerous? Her husband does not want her or the children to have a passport. He has one and can travel but not them. Why are you posting?

mysecretshame · 22/07/2025 19:50

Coconutter24 · 22/07/2025 17:23

Having a passport is not a human right

I'd be aiming for more than just human rights in a marriage.
The bar is very low for many on here.

4forksache · 22/07/2025 20:04

He hates having to travel for work. He just doesn’t want to go abroad and he won’t enjoy it, especially because of the hard work your children are.

Some people find it really difficult to see things outside of their own perspective. You need to point out that just because he doesn’t think it’s important, doesn’t mean that it’s not important for you. Relate it to something he enjoys that you aren’t bothered about.

Could you manage on your own with the kid’s? If he realises he isn’t expected to go then it might make it more palatable.

He might think that you really can’t afford it. Talk about priorities and what you are prepared to forgo. Tell him that it’s become your priority and it’s now tainting your whole relationship that he won’t see things from your perspective and realise how important it is to you. Work out a way together that brings in more income if necessary. When can you work whilst he has the children. Cry if you need to. Make him realise that his marriage is on the line if he doesn’t work with you on this.

But if the real reason is he just doesn’t want to go abroad, then you’ll just have to do it alone or with others.

Just saying no, isn’t an option now. Things have come to a head and he needs to listen to you if he wants to keep you. You are an equal part of this relationship- or should be!

Coconutter24 · 22/07/2025 20:16

Falseknock · 22/07/2025 19:48

Are you being cantankerous? Her husband does not want her or the children to have a passport. He has one and can travel but not them. Why are you posting?

No I’m not being cantankerous just stating facts. Do I agree with her DH… of course not! If OP wants a passport she shouldn’t have to ask permission to get one. I’d be more concerned that she even has to ask for one tbh. That said it is still not a human right to have a passport, freedom of movement is a human right right, owning a passport is not

Falseknock · 22/07/2025 20:30

Coconutter24 · 22/07/2025 20:16

No I’m not being cantankerous just stating facts. Do I agree with her DH… of course not! If OP wants a passport she shouldn’t have to ask permission to get one. I’d be more concerned that she even has to ask for one tbh. That said it is still not a human right to have a passport, freedom of movement is a human right right, owning a passport is not

Brexit ended freedom of movement