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Father in law said he couldn’t come help us because he’d be too FKD

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Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 14:35

Hello! I’ve just hashed it out with my father in law but I feel like I need an outsiders perspective to know if I’m being overly sensitive or if this is behaviour to expect.

I recently gave birth to DC 3 a couple of days ago but it was whilst I was pregnant my FIL really pissed me off. My partner and him have a good enough relationship but they’ve definitely had struggles particularly since we’ve had kids. For my partner it highlights his dads absence and lack of support when he’s been really struggling. My MIL who is no longer with FIL is going through chemo and whilst she has always offered support we dont feel it’s fair to take it, knowing that she’s also physically struggling. Her partner is also useless and is a functioning alcoholic so she doesn’t have the best support herself. She is also based really far from us. My mum has helped us the most in the past and I would say she is our main support if we need it but she isnt that close by either, she is also 10-15 years older than my in laws and single. I’ve also found she doesnt actually like having to make the long journey and doesn’t always willingly want to help as she’s older so we try not to ask much. We are actually very self sufficient as we do so much ourselves and pay for nursery and baby sitters if we have the spare money but it’s never to do anything for fun it will literally only be for childcare whilst at work. In fact all of our family support is still just for this. I think in the five years of having kids we’ve been to the cinema once on our parents time. We’ve never done anything else!

My DH missed the birth of DC2 because we didn’t have childcare in place in the middle of the night and because of this we asked my mum to come stay with us until the baby was born 2 weeks before due date. A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work. We really want to give her some respite so we ask FIL if we paid for his train fare (because he’s used cost of travel a reason for not coming in the past and he lives 2 hours away) would he come for the weekend just so my mum can rest and come back. His reply was “sorry I can’t it’s my works end of year do and I will be out eating and drinking all day, sorry it’s not my fault it’s this week” My partner then said well could you just come on the Saturday morning instead and leave Sunday and his response was “sorry I’ll be too FKD” My partner sarcastically said thanks for your help and his FIL said “it’s not my fault it’s on the same day. Don’t wanna fall out with you over this”

Is this normal behaviour to expect? Were we asking too much? I personally was shocked by the order of priorities but also zero offer of an alternative day or week. we said absolutely nothing back.

fast forward to today..
FIL’s wife keeps in touch and asking about the baby but I feel resentful in wanting to share much detail because FIL hasn’t said checked in at all about baby’s arrival. I explained the birth was chaotic, my partner was worried the baby had died and that whilst we were all doing ok the journey here was quite traumatic. I kept asking why FIL still hadn’t called his son despite knowing this information so he sends me a message by way of her instagram saying he hasn’t heard anything for three weeks because he thought we were annoyed at him. I urge him to call his son himself and not talk to me about it. Hours pass and I have enough and call him and we hash it out. He says I’m not the boss of him, he didn’t want to not go to his work outing, he wanted to go to it and he wasn’t not going to go because he has plans. He then says more excuses as to why he won’t come such as I hate London, I hate trains. No one’s going to change me, I’m not gonna be the father he wants so we are never gonna be ok. I was thinking, he literally just wants you to visit!?! What the fuck is he actually asking of you that is so wild. He also said I’m not at your beck and call… this is the only time we asked you to come down and we thought the reason was pretty valid!?

when we go to where he lives, he is hands on with our kids and they really enjoy each others company. But that happens about 4 times a year. there is zero effort ever to put himself out or to come to us.

am I being ubreasonable in thinking he should’ve at least offered an alternative day he could do some heavy lifting instead of a 72 year old woman? Or is this a common mistake to think this way.

OP posts:
SockFluffInTheBath · 20/07/2025 20:28

What about a home birth? DC1 slept through DD2 being born, if it had been day time it would have been a CBeebies job!

BlankBlankBlank14 · 20/07/2025 20:29

BluntPlumHam · 20/07/2025 20:16

It’s shocking and disappointing that a freshly postpartum mum is being utterly shamed for asking for help from her supposed nearest and dearest. The attitude towards struggling mums is so rotten and apathetic that it is reflective of why there is zero support for working mums. They are overworked, overtaxed and overcharged despite the vital role they play in society.

OP seems happy to be over worked, taxed and charged, it’s her third child..

BluntPlumHam · 20/07/2025 20:31

Mrsttcno1 · 20/07/2025 20:22

Read the post, OP is not a freshly postpartum mum. She is still in fact pregnant- or was at the time of expecting her mum and FIL to do xyz.

Edited

Irrelevant.

soupyspoon · 20/07/2025 20:31

Yeahno · 20/07/2025 20:27

I believe hyper-individualism is a relatively modern trend in the West. Just a few decades ago, strong family support was much more common.
I'm not surprised that you're unconcerned about the declining birthrate in Western societies. Caring about that would require looking beyond personal interests and considering the future of the West as a whole.

It is a modern trend yes, come out from a variety of causes, there are pros and cons as Ive set out above and probably for another thread really. And lots of families were not always able to be there completely for vulnerable members of their family otherwise there wouldnt have been workhouses etc.

Why would I be concerned about the future of 'the West'? What does this even mean?

People come and people go, thats the history of human migration over thousands of years, societies fall and other societies grow. The Roman empire didnt last and other things took its place. Thats humans for you.

Newusername3kidss · 20/07/2025 20:32

Grandparents helping out is lovely if he happens but I find it so weird people just expect it. Why should he miss his works night out JUST IN CASE you had a baby that night. Do you not have any local friends who could help in this instance? My sister was on stand by for our 2nd and 3rd child but if she hadn’t been available all my friends would have been there overnight to help if necessary.

You chose to have a 3rd child. Even though if you can’t afford a babysitter for the odd night out it doesn’t sound like it was most sensible financial decision as you’re clearly struggling.

Ilikemymenlikeilikemycoffee · 20/07/2025 20:35

If you have kids already and another due, I think you have to assume you’ll go into labour on your own or have a birthing partner? You can’t assume someone else will look after your kids. You knew what the family situation was like before having more kids!

Mrsttcno1 · 20/07/2025 20:36

BluntPlumHam · 20/07/2025 20:31

Irrelevant.

Except it’s not. This isn’t an exhausted mum with a newborn who needs some support now and again, it’s a family who planned another baby, got through 9 months of pregnancy without organising & paying for childcare to cover the birth despite it being missed last time, and now have had a 72 year old mum move in for 2 weeks doing enough to exhaust herself so much so that now FIL is expected to cancel plans and be available for 2 days.

At some point there does have to be a degree of personal responsibility here. Birth is unpredictable, if you do not live near family and you both want to be there then your options are friends/neighbours (if willing), or pay for childcare to cover that. The answer is not to uproot other family members lives to travel and stay for days or weeks when they do not want to or are not capable of doing that.

Loubylie · 20/07/2025 20:37

Remember this when FIL is old and frail and needs your help.

Thefaceofboe · 20/07/2025 20:37

swiveleyedtransphobe · 20/07/2025 14:44

Why do you need help? I had 3 kids and never had any help at all, just me and DH, had to get on with it, grandparents were not interested and never babysat

Genuine question, how did you do labour with the 2nd and 3rd with no help? Did your husband miss the births? We live at the opposite end of the country to our parents and have had no help but thankfully they did come down to help us out when we had our second child.

IAmQuiteNiceActually · 20/07/2025 20:38

These comments are so horrible to read. I had loads of help from my mum, who was a similar age to yours. My mum and dad both helped a lot, looking after DS1 when DS2 was born and they were there in the recovery room when I had DS1. I think if I'd been left to get on with it we wouldn't have survived.

Women used to be in hospital for two weeks after having a baby and yet so many women on here are astonished that you should need help.

I think you're probably expecting too much of FIL though. It would never have occurred to my exFIL to help, just as he never helped with his own children.

Rowen32 · 20/07/2025 20:39

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 17:58

He heavy lifting I meant being the one to step up not literally heavy lifting and being over worked!

OP, I'd just leave this thread to be honest. You were totally reasonable in wanting childcare for labour, needing it even. For what it's worth, my parents checked in every night around my due date and if they had plans a sibling was on call. They have done this for all my siblings, it's totally normal to need emergency childcare when you're in labour🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️
I do think your father in law was within his rights to say he had plans and although it sucks I wouldn't be putting much pass on it, it's annoying but understandable. Don't make it more than it is.

C10000 · 20/07/2025 20:39

Kettlemetal · 20/07/2025 20:02

this is just so cold and depressing.

society has lost so much of its warmth and care. Caring for each other (which usually is most notable to and from those closest to us eg family) is one of the best parts of human nature. I feel sorry for this poster if this is your take on life.

Oh behave lol

Just because it's your idea of how things should be in life it doesn't mean that everyone thinks like you

I have 3 DC's, I never asked for help, if family or friends did offer, then I'd accept with thanks. But I was never that entitled to expect childcare from Grandparents who had raised their children and were now enjoying their retirement

BlankBlankBlank14 · 20/07/2025 20:39

BluntPlumHam · 20/07/2025 20:31

Irrelevant.

It’s her third child as I said previously, if she feels that bloody put upon and zero support, then she should’ve considered having one or two.

Of course it’s relevant!

You honestly sound bitter and like women can’t choose to stop having children if they feel so put upon.

soupyspoon · 20/07/2025 20:39

Women used to be in hospitals for 2 weeks due to decision making by men about what women needed, a hugely misogynistic view about women's ability to have a child. Medicalised and pathologised.

BluntPlumHam · 20/07/2025 20:42

Mrsttcno1 · 20/07/2025 20:36

Except it’s not. This isn’t an exhausted mum with a newborn who needs some support now and again, it’s a family who planned another baby, got through 9 months of pregnancy without organising & paying for childcare to cover the birth despite it being missed last time, and now have had a 72 year old mum move in for 2 weeks doing enough to exhaust herself so much so that now FIL is expected to cancel plans and be available for 2 days.

At some point there does have to be a degree of personal responsibility here. Birth is unpredictable, if you do not live near family and you both want to be there then your options are friends/neighbours (if willing), or pay for childcare to cover that. The answer is not to uproot other family members lives to travel and stay for days or weeks when they do not want to or are not capable of doing that.

It is irrelevant because it speaks to the apathetic attitude I would even say almost punishing attitude towards this mum so needed help during a vulnerable time. She has assumed responsibility and was attempting make arrangements with useless FIL.

BluntPlumHam · 20/07/2025 20:43

C10000 · 20/07/2025 20:39

Oh behave lol

Just because it's your idea of how things should be in life it doesn't mean that everyone thinks like you

I have 3 DC's, I never asked for help, if family or friends did offer, then I'd accept with thanks. But I was never that entitled to expect childcare from Grandparents who had raised their children and were now enjoying their retirement

I will get your medal in the post for you.

Frazzled83 · 20/07/2025 20:45

Yeahno · 20/07/2025 19:50

Where I come from, it's customary for relatives to step in and offer support during childbirth and the postpartum period. We have a tradition known as omugwo, where a close family member stays with the new mother for about 40 days to help care for her and the baby. During this time, the mother is not expected to lift a finger. I believe that in many cultures with higher birth rates, similar support systems exist. Family involvement, both before and after birth, is seen as essential. These days, it is optional. People can decide for themselves how much support they want or need.
So for the OP to expect her father-in-law to offer just a day or two of support to his son and heavily pregnant daughter-in-law, and then receive such harsh pushback for it, is baffling to me. She’s not being lazy, both she and her husband worked right up until the due date. They simply need some help during a tricky time.
The idea that her father-in-law shouldn't be expected to help at all, and that the couple must handle everything entirely on their own, strikes me as unreasonable. This hyper-individualistic mindset is something the West gets wrong. I suspect it's one of the key factors contributing to declining birth rates in Western societies.

I couldn’t agree more! I come from a super tight family. We don’t live in each others pockets but if any of mine need me, I’m there with a big shiny set of bells on. We look after each other. This weird mindset of ‘well you shouldn’t have had a third child then’ is absolutely batshit. To me it all just sounds spiteful, cold and bloody self righteous. I’ve been really shocked reading the thread.

mamagogo1 · 20/07/2025 20:46

Your FIL had plans, he doesn’t need to put them on hold. Grandparents don’t have to help, that’s the reality. Choosing to have 3 children is your choice and only yours. My dc know I will love any grandchild they give me but that’s it, no ongoing childcare, and if I do help on occasional times they know i have a life

BluntPlumHam · 20/07/2025 20:46

BlankBlankBlank14 · 20/07/2025 20:39

It’s her third child as I said previously, if she feels that bloody put upon and zero support, then she should’ve considered having one or two.

Of course it’s relevant!

You honestly sound bitter and like women can’t choose to stop having children if they feel so put upon.

What a lot of hateful assumptions about two people you clearly know nothing about. You should take some time off.

C10000 · 20/07/2025 20:47

mamagogo1 · 20/07/2025 20:46

Your FIL had plans, he doesn’t need to put them on hold. Grandparents don’t have to help, that’s the reality. Choosing to have 3 children is your choice and only yours. My dc know I will love any grandchild they give me but that’s it, no ongoing childcare, and if I do help on occasional times they know i have a life

This

IAmQuiteNiceActually · 20/07/2025 20:47

soupyspoon · 20/07/2025 20:39

Women used to be in hospitals for 2 weeks due to decision making by men about what women needed, a hugely misogynistic view about women's ability to have a child. Medicalised and pathologised.

Oh what utter rubbish. Birth is still medicalised but women are sent home far too early. It's not misogynistic to think that labour and birth are often hugely traumatising and take a long time to recover from. Maybe if I'd been in hospital someone might have noticed that I had an infection and I wouldn't have been left with a temperature of over 40C while trying to care for a newborn and toddler.

BlankBlankBlank14 · 20/07/2025 20:49

BluntPlumHam · 20/07/2025 20:46

What a lot of hateful assumptions about two people you clearly know nothing about. You should take some time off.

Why?

Because they’ve chosen an option and want everyone else to make it work?

They can’t even afford a babysitter for two but are having a third?

Sorry, but some of us take responsibility for our actions and don’t get the arse and stop talking to our parents, because they’ve chosen to continue with their own pre arranged plans.

Mrsttcno1 · 20/07/2025 20:49

BluntPlumHam · 20/07/2025 20:42

It is irrelevant because it speaks to the apathetic attitude I would even say almost punishing attitude towards this mum so needed help during a vulnerable time. She has assumed responsibility and was attempting make arrangements with useless FIL.

She wasn’t attempting to take responsibility, she was trying to make FIL take responsibility 😂

Taking responsibility in this situation looks like sorting out paid and organised emergency childcare to cover this period, or asking friends/neighbours who live locally. We have been emergency childcare for 2 of our friends, another of our friends had to use paid childcare as due to timings nobody was available- birth doesn’t come as a shock, you have 9 months to prepare and make plans. You can absolutely ask family but they can absolutely say no and the only acceptable answer to that is “okay, thanks anyway”.

soupyspoon · 20/07/2025 20:50

IAmQuiteNiceActually · 20/07/2025 20:47

Oh what utter rubbish. Birth is still medicalised but women are sent home far too early. It's not misogynistic to think that labour and birth are often hugely traumatising and take a long time to recover from. Maybe if I'd been in hospital someone might have noticed that I had an infection and I wouldn't have been left with a temperature of over 40C while trying to care for a newborn and toddler.

You didnt need to be in hospital for that, if women had daily midwife visits for a set time after birth that would be supportive and aid recovery, but of course that centres women, rather than a system designed by men so you know, thats not going to happen.

Thanksforyourlackofthought · 20/07/2025 20:51

Sorry, gave up on this early on. My Dc is 22 now. All family were crap so we got on with it. Live rurally so no baby sitters. No romantic meals out. Nothing. Still standing though! It is what it is.