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Father in law said he couldn’t come help us because he’d be too FKD

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Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 14:35

Hello! I’ve just hashed it out with my father in law but I feel like I need an outsiders perspective to know if I’m being overly sensitive or if this is behaviour to expect.

I recently gave birth to DC 3 a couple of days ago but it was whilst I was pregnant my FIL really pissed me off. My partner and him have a good enough relationship but they’ve definitely had struggles particularly since we’ve had kids. For my partner it highlights his dads absence and lack of support when he’s been really struggling. My MIL who is no longer with FIL is going through chemo and whilst she has always offered support we dont feel it’s fair to take it, knowing that she’s also physically struggling. Her partner is also useless and is a functioning alcoholic so she doesn’t have the best support herself. She is also based really far from us. My mum has helped us the most in the past and I would say she is our main support if we need it but she isnt that close by either, she is also 10-15 years older than my in laws and single. I’ve also found she doesnt actually like having to make the long journey and doesn’t always willingly want to help as she’s older so we try not to ask much. We are actually very self sufficient as we do so much ourselves and pay for nursery and baby sitters if we have the spare money but it’s never to do anything for fun it will literally only be for childcare whilst at work. In fact all of our family support is still just for this. I think in the five years of having kids we’ve been to the cinema once on our parents time. We’ve never done anything else!

My DH missed the birth of DC2 because we didn’t have childcare in place in the middle of the night and because of this we asked my mum to come stay with us until the baby was born 2 weeks before due date. A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work. We really want to give her some respite so we ask FIL if we paid for his train fare (because he’s used cost of travel a reason for not coming in the past and he lives 2 hours away) would he come for the weekend just so my mum can rest and come back. His reply was “sorry I can’t it’s my works end of year do and I will be out eating and drinking all day, sorry it’s not my fault it’s this week” My partner then said well could you just come on the Saturday morning instead and leave Sunday and his response was “sorry I’ll be too FKD” My partner sarcastically said thanks for your help and his FIL said “it’s not my fault it’s on the same day. Don’t wanna fall out with you over this”

Is this normal behaviour to expect? Were we asking too much? I personally was shocked by the order of priorities but also zero offer of an alternative day or week. we said absolutely nothing back.

fast forward to today..
FIL’s wife keeps in touch and asking about the baby but I feel resentful in wanting to share much detail because FIL hasn’t said checked in at all about baby’s arrival. I explained the birth was chaotic, my partner was worried the baby had died and that whilst we were all doing ok the journey here was quite traumatic. I kept asking why FIL still hadn’t called his son despite knowing this information so he sends me a message by way of her instagram saying he hasn’t heard anything for three weeks because he thought we were annoyed at him. I urge him to call his son himself and not talk to me about it. Hours pass and I have enough and call him and we hash it out. He says I’m not the boss of him, he didn’t want to not go to his work outing, he wanted to go to it and he wasn’t not going to go because he has plans. He then says more excuses as to why he won’t come such as I hate London, I hate trains. No one’s going to change me, I’m not gonna be the father he wants so we are never gonna be ok. I was thinking, he literally just wants you to visit!?! What the fuck is he actually asking of you that is so wild. He also said I’m not at your beck and call… this is the only time we asked you to come down and we thought the reason was pretty valid!?

when we go to where he lives, he is hands on with our kids and they really enjoy each others company. But that happens about 4 times a year. there is zero effort ever to put himself out or to come to us.

am I being ubreasonable in thinking he should’ve at least offered an alternative day he could do some heavy lifting instead of a 72 year old woman? Or is this a common mistake to think this way.

OP posts:
soupyspoon · 20/07/2025 17:40

DonnyBurrito · 20/07/2025 17:35

No, he prioritised getting pissed. He could have gone to the work thing and just had lunch, stayed for a few hours, then said "sorry lads my newest grandchild has just arrived and I want to support my son and his wife, so I'm only staying for a few hours so I can be fresh and helpful for them when they need it the most". He could have hopped on the train that night.

You do realise OP said the baby was born a few days ago?

Even if he only came for the day because he had work on Monday, that would have at least shown the OP and her husband that he was caring and supportive.

But no, he prioritised getting pissed. What a brilliant grandad.

EDIT: Just realised she asked him to stay before the baby was actually born. That changes things a bit, but not much.

Edited

He was being asked to be standy in case the baby came. Did he have leave booked, if not he cant just opt out of the working day.

And OP continues to be silent on her husband, what was he doing, what does he do, what was his contribution while her mother slaved over them?

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 17:40

QuantumPanic · 20/07/2025 17:00

OPs mum lives far away and OP said her previous births have been precipitous - mum likely would not have arrived in time and OP would have given birth alone.

Yes that’s exactly it! I didn’t want to rope her in to this extent. It’s just last time she didn’t make it, so there’s experience of that in the past. The funny thing is if I showed her this post she would be so pissed off because of how many people are calling her elderly!!

OP posts:
tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 17:40

ForestElfGirl · 20/07/2025 17:35

There is nothing wrong with wanting help and support from your family - especially around the birth of a child! It is sad that because other people did not have any family help, they feel you should be happy with the same. It takes a village and all that... Wishing you all the best with your new baby x

Expecting your 72 year old mother to come and live with you for two weeks is a little bit more than "help and support".

SpidersAreShitheads · 20/07/2025 17:43

Sorry OP but I think you’ve been very unreasonable towards your FIL.

He works and there was an end of year event. Most people who work really look forward to these kinds of events. There was no family emergency, you wanted him there as a “just in case”. You got upset that he wouldn’t cancel his plans or travel to you while hungover - bearing in mind he’d have to travel back for work again on Monday.

I think families should support each other but you seem spectacularly unaware of the fact there has to be give and take. Your FIL works so only has weekends and you expected him to miss a big occasion just to sit in your house “just in case”. He wouldn’t have been in a fit state for childcare - he’s been responsible by declining.

You’ve then bollocked him so he’s stayed away to avoid conflict. And now you’ve bollocked him some more.

I think you’re so caught up in what you need, you haven’t stopped to consider other people. I understand you wanted your DH there for the birth but leaning so heavily on a woman going through chemo seems more than a bit self-absorbed.

You say you have friends - I know if a friend went into labour in the middle of the night I’d help out without a second thought, even if we weren’t especially close. All the women I k ow would do the same. Working on establishing a local network of support would be a good idea OP - but that would involve give and take…

Hodgemollar · 20/07/2025 17:43

Meadowfinch · 20/07/2025 17:38

But @DonnyBurrito , if the request for FIL to travel was after the baby was born, why did anyone extra need to be there?

OP is on maternity leave and OP's dh is on paternity leave.

The request wasn’t after the baby was born. It’s not that hard to follow.

Ficklebricks · 20/07/2025 17:44

Really shocked at the voting here. FIL sounds like an absolute twat who won't see his son more than 4 times a year, he has no interest in his grandkids until you show up and present them to him at a convenient time. Nobody is duty bound to offer childcare but the man can't even be arsed to show a little bit of interest in his son or his grandchildren. What a horrible man, you'd be better off ignoring him and building more friendships with local families to jointly help each other out with childcare.

KeepDancing1 · 20/07/2025 17:44

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 16:55

My labour was an hour last time. The midwives said there was a risk of it being quicker so unfortunately it wasn’t an option

OP, some people have no idea what fast labour is like, or what medical advice is given to mothers with a history of giving birth quickly. I was very lucky that I had low-risk pregnancies, so after a quick first labour I was advised to stay at home for babies 2 and 3 and let the community midwives travel to me. Your situation was that much harder as your pregnancy was high risk.

Had I had to go into hospital, my big fear was giving birth in the car on the way there. For some of us, calling for help to come from two hours away, or getting in a taxi alone, would be a recipe for disaster. It’s fantastic that your mum has been able to be there to make sure you don’t face this kind of dangerous situation.

Lots of us have (or know) mums or MILs who like to be busy, and insist on rushing around helping until they wear themselves out - particularly if they’re feeling worried. In those circumstances, it would be nice to think another family member would step up for a few hours and encourage your mum to have a rest - but sadly, it wasn’t to be.

Congratulations on the new addition to the family!

Martoni · 20/07/2025 17:44

As soon as I read your post I knew you’d get a bashing.

But I do feel for you. We’ve been in a similar position, DH family live down the road from us but don’t help. We’ve given up on it now and just accept we don’t have their support.

Which is fine, no one should expect it. It just stings when you see your friends going off on spa weekends and nights out with their DH whilst their parents look after the kids.

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 17:45

Ficklebricks · 20/07/2025 17:44

Really shocked at the voting here. FIL sounds like an absolute twat who won't see his son more than 4 times a year, he has no interest in his grandkids until you show up and present them to him at a convenient time. Nobody is duty bound to offer childcare but the man can't even be arsed to show a little bit of interest in his son or his grandchildren. What a horrible man, you'd be better off ignoring him and building more friendships with local families to jointly help each other out with childcare.

Well, if he's that much of a twat, I'd question why OP bothered ringing and asking him in the first place?

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 17:45

SpidersAreShitheads · 20/07/2025 17:43

Sorry OP but I think you’ve been very unreasonable towards your FIL.

He works and there was an end of year event. Most people who work really look forward to these kinds of events. There was no family emergency, you wanted him there as a “just in case”. You got upset that he wouldn’t cancel his plans or travel to you while hungover - bearing in mind he’d have to travel back for work again on Monday.

I think families should support each other but you seem spectacularly unaware of the fact there has to be give and take. Your FIL works so only has weekends and you expected him to miss a big occasion just to sit in your house “just in case”. He wouldn’t have been in a fit state for childcare - he’s been responsible by declining.

You’ve then bollocked him so he’s stayed away to avoid conflict. And now you’ve bollocked him some more.

I think you’re so caught up in what you need, you haven’t stopped to consider other people. I understand you wanted your DH there for the birth but leaning so heavily on a woman going through chemo seems more than a bit self-absorbed.

You say you have friends - I know if a friend went into labour in the middle of the night I’d help out without a second thought, even if we weren’t especially close. All the women I k ow would do the same. Working on establishing a local network of support would be a good idea OP - but that would involve give and take…

I havent relied on someone with chemo!?! My MIL is the last person I’d ask

OP posts:
FleurDeFleur · 20/07/2025 17:45

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 17:40

Yes that’s exactly it! I didn’t want to rope her in to this extent. It’s just last time she didn’t make it, so there’s experience of that in the past. The funny thing is if I showed her this post she would be so pissed off because of how many people are calling her elderly!!

Elderly isn't an insult. How ageist! It's accurate if you're 72.

ShallIstart · 20/07/2025 17:45

Well we get no help, FIL has never once in 15 years looked after our kids for even ten minutes.
MiL has passed away.
My parents will help occassionally on demand, like in an emergency if someone has to go to hospital despite living 5 minutes away.
Both mine and my partners grandparents never looked after us as children and I guess it kind of carried on.
Me and my DH have said if our kids havr kids we will be there if they need some help and even actually offer to help. Rather than moan and complain about being asked and refuse which is what our parents do.

DonnyBurrito · 20/07/2025 17:46

Meadowfinch · 20/07/2025 17:38

But @DonnyBurrito , if the request for FIL to travel was after the baby was born, why did anyone extra need to be there?

OP is on maternity leave and OP's dh is on paternity leave.

I've just edited my reply because I realised she asked him before the baby was born incase she went into labour.

He still could have not got pissed and then gone the next day. But he chose to get drunk instead of making sure his son would be able to support his wife in labour if she were to have the baby that weekend.

I mistakenly thought the OP had requested he come and help out after the birth, which sounded traumatic. Even if that was the case, I still don't think it is an unreasonable request.

In either scenario, all he had to do was not drink. Apparently here on MN getting pissed is more important than supporting their children when they're having a baby.

Rosscameasdoody · 20/07/2025 17:46

Having three children is your choice. You shouldn’t be so entitled as to expect everyone else to put their lives on hold so you can cope.

Mrsttcno1 · 20/07/2025 17:47

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 17:40

Expecting your 72 year old mother to come and live with you for two weeks is a little bit more than "help and support".

Literally this.

And she’s been doing so much that you require someone else to come and do 2 days so that she can have a rest?!! What on earth was she doing and why weren’t YOU doing it OP, considering this is before baby has even arrived?

Ficklebricks · 20/07/2025 17:47

To all the posters saying OP is being unreasonable asking for childcare so her husband can attend the birth, have you ever thought about what her husband wants? It's not often you become a father, do his needs not matter? It's also incredibly toxic to suggest OP needs to put her big girl pants on and give birth alone. I can only assume the people saying that have never had a traumatic or life threatening birth. Good for you, but things can go wrong very very quickly and no woman should be forced to be alone during labour or birth.

Digdongdoo · 20/07/2025 17:47

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 17:40

Yes that’s exactly it! I didn’t want to rope her in to this extent. It’s just last time she didn’t make it, so there’s experience of that in the past. The funny thing is if I showed her this post she would be so pissed off because of how many people are calling her elderly!!

You're the one saying she was so tired from all the housework that she needed a rest! So you clearly did want to rope her in to that extent. You didn't have to let her do so much for so long. Otherwise you would have sent her home (or done your own housework) with or without FIL. You asked too much of her and instead of making other arrangements, you're blaming a man for attending a work function.
If there is a baby #4 you need to find a couple of local friends or neighbours who can step in until reinforcements arrive.

WednesdaysChild50 · 20/07/2025 17:48

Stop having so many kids then if you can’t manage them
(I’ve not read the whole thread yet but seeing the OP’s first post that was my initial reaction)

Ficklebricks · 20/07/2025 17:49

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 17:45

Well, if he's that much of a twat, I'd question why OP bothered ringing and asking him in the first place?

Because it takes people a long time to realise someone is irredeemable. None of us like to think the worst of our families and we keep trying to make it work. Sometimes the twatty ones actually pull it out the bag and do the right thing in the end. We can live in hope. I'm sad that OP has been so let down.

Coconutter24 · 20/07/2025 17:49

Would you have wanted someone hungover to come and look after the kids anyway?
I voted YABU. You asked and was told no which he is entitled to say. You and DP decided to have another baby so it falls to you both to sort things out or be there when needed

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 17:50

Ficklebricks · 20/07/2025 17:47

To all the posters saying OP is being unreasonable asking for childcare so her husband can attend the birth, have you ever thought about what her husband wants? It's not often you become a father, do his needs not matter? It's also incredibly toxic to suggest OP needs to put her big girl pants on and give birth alone. I can only assume the people saying that have never had a traumatic or life threatening birth. Good for you, but things can go wrong very very quickly and no woman should be forced to be alone during labour or birth.

He's had the same nine months as OP has had to arrange some paid childcare, and yet neither of them bothered.

So it seems it wasn't that important to either of them, really.

Biscoffscoffer · 20/07/2025 17:50

There is nothing wrong with wanting help and support from your family - especially around the birth of a child! It is sad that because other people did not have any family help, they feel you should be happy with the same. It takes a village and all that... Wishing you all the best with your new baby x

If one needs so much support they shouldn't be having more children. By all means keep having children but then don't expect everyone around you to ditch their social life for you. OP sounds very entitled.

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 17:50

Ficklebricks · 20/07/2025 17:49

Because it takes people a long time to realise someone is irredeemable. None of us like to think the worst of our families and we keep trying to make it work. Sometimes the twatty ones actually pull it out the bag and do the right thing in the end. We can live in hope. I'm sad that OP has been so let down.

I don't think she's been let down at all - she's had a fuck ton more support than most people have when giving birth to their third chil.

FleurDeFleur · 20/07/2025 17:51

Ficklebricks · 20/07/2025 17:47

To all the posters saying OP is being unreasonable asking for childcare so her husband can attend the birth, have you ever thought about what her husband wants? It's not often you become a father, do his needs not matter? It's also incredibly toxic to suggest OP needs to put her big girl pants on and give birth alone. I can only assume the people saying that have never had a traumatic or life threatening birth. Good for you, but things can go wrong very very quickly and no woman should be forced to be alone during labour or birth.

His needs do matter, which is why they should have had childcare arrangements in place, plus emergency ones. They had months to plan it.

CalmTheFuckDownMargaret · 20/07/2025 17:53

Nobody owes you a single minute of help - they really don’t. If people offer to help, then that’s very lucky for you and kind of them but you absolutely cannot expect people to organise their own leisure etc around looking after kids that aren’t theirs! And yes, that applies to grandparents and aunts and uncles!

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