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Father in law said he couldn’t come help us because he’d be too FKD

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Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 14:35

Hello! I’ve just hashed it out with my father in law but I feel like I need an outsiders perspective to know if I’m being overly sensitive or if this is behaviour to expect.

I recently gave birth to DC 3 a couple of days ago but it was whilst I was pregnant my FIL really pissed me off. My partner and him have a good enough relationship but they’ve definitely had struggles particularly since we’ve had kids. For my partner it highlights his dads absence and lack of support when he’s been really struggling. My MIL who is no longer with FIL is going through chemo and whilst she has always offered support we dont feel it’s fair to take it, knowing that she’s also physically struggling. Her partner is also useless and is a functioning alcoholic so she doesn’t have the best support herself. She is also based really far from us. My mum has helped us the most in the past and I would say she is our main support if we need it but she isnt that close by either, she is also 10-15 years older than my in laws and single. I’ve also found she doesnt actually like having to make the long journey and doesn’t always willingly want to help as she’s older so we try not to ask much. We are actually very self sufficient as we do so much ourselves and pay for nursery and baby sitters if we have the spare money but it’s never to do anything for fun it will literally only be for childcare whilst at work. In fact all of our family support is still just for this. I think in the five years of having kids we’ve been to the cinema once on our parents time. We’ve never done anything else!

My DH missed the birth of DC2 because we didn’t have childcare in place in the middle of the night and because of this we asked my mum to come stay with us until the baby was born 2 weeks before due date. A really big ask but she agreed. 2 weeks pass and we feel like she really needs a rest because she’s been helping out so much around the house whilst I focus on all the childcare and my partner is at work. We really want to give her some respite so we ask FIL if we paid for his train fare (because he’s used cost of travel a reason for not coming in the past and he lives 2 hours away) would he come for the weekend just so my mum can rest and come back. His reply was “sorry I can’t it’s my works end of year do and I will be out eating and drinking all day, sorry it’s not my fault it’s this week” My partner then said well could you just come on the Saturday morning instead and leave Sunday and his response was “sorry I’ll be too FKD” My partner sarcastically said thanks for your help and his FIL said “it’s not my fault it’s on the same day. Don’t wanna fall out with you over this”

Is this normal behaviour to expect? Were we asking too much? I personally was shocked by the order of priorities but also zero offer of an alternative day or week. we said absolutely nothing back.

fast forward to today..
FIL’s wife keeps in touch and asking about the baby but I feel resentful in wanting to share much detail because FIL hasn’t said checked in at all about baby’s arrival. I explained the birth was chaotic, my partner was worried the baby had died and that whilst we were all doing ok the journey here was quite traumatic. I kept asking why FIL still hadn’t called his son despite knowing this information so he sends me a message by way of her instagram saying he hasn’t heard anything for three weeks because he thought we were annoyed at him. I urge him to call his son himself and not talk to me about it. Hours pass and I have enough and call him and we hash it out. He says I’m not the boss of him, he didn’t want to not go to his work outing, he wanted to go to it and he wasn’t not going to go because he has plans. He then says more excuses as to why he won’t come such as I hate London, I hate trains. No one’s going to change me, I’m not gonna be the father he wants so we are never gonna be ok. I was thinking, he literally just wants you to visit!?! What the fuck is he actually asking of you that is so wild. He also said I’m not at your beck and call… this is the only time we asked you to come down and we thought the reason was pretty valid!?

when we go to where he lives, he is hands on with our kids and they really enjoy each others company. But that happens about 4 times a year. there is zero effort ever to put himself out or to come to us.

am I being ubreasonable in thinking he should’ve at least offered an alternative day he could do some heavy lifting instead of a 72 year old woman? Or is this a common mistake to think this way.

OP posts:
tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 17:20

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 17:12

No definitely not what I’d like for any of us! It’s inconvenient for her I don’t feel relaxed I was worried about her all the time not being at home. I didn’t want that but the midwives kept saying you need childcare this time to be all in place because your births are quick. I said mg mum is mg main support because of her proximity however! She doesn’t even get asked in months to help. I really do it most myself with the help of nursery. Only if there is no other way but usually I can handle everything myself. I am very aware it’s not “normal” but I took the advice of my midwives to be prepared from week 38 they said can anyone stay with you. I said my mum maybe so I asked her and she said yes. There was no pressure if she said no we would look at other option but she said yes. We started to feel that it was too long as the baby wasn’t coming on due date so we looked at other options. We got our answer wasn’t what we liked and people have said to get over it but are. Ie making our I want someone to watch my kids full time?!

Edited

Advice is just that - advice. They can't force you to follow it.

It honestly boggles my mind that you felt getting your 72 mother to come and stay with you for two weeks was ever an option. You should have had a local friend or neighbour on standby to do childcare, and then your mum could have come to take over from them while you were at the hospital.

SavingForChristmas · 20/07/2025 17:21

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 16:03

I don’t understand I never said I did nothing!!! I was working my due date! Both my partner and I carried on as normal with all the daily chores school run etc etc my mum was there incase I went into labour so the children had their grandma there because the midwives encouraged me to have someone with me based on my last births history. My mother did help a lot because she was there and she would keep chipping in no matter how much we said please sit down etc. I think he post hasn’t presented this clearly enough if everyone thinks I just sat around!?!

Well it would help if you got your story straight. In the first post you said your mum had been doing everything in the house while your boyfriend works and while you take care of the children. So much so she needed to “rest”, you even said yourself you wanted to give her some “respite”. And then you wanted her to come back afterwards! Why do you need her to come back? That’s a hell of a difference from “just someone there in the night if I go into labour” and “we did all the chores”. Does your boyfriend work nights? Why wouldn’t he be there at night to take care of the children he made while you bring another one into the world? Many fathers miss births because of looking after other children. It was your choice to have them.

Overtheway · 20/07/2025 17:22

I think asking someone to come stay with you in case you go into labour is CF territory (I feel sorry for your mum being there for two weeks!).

This was your third child, was there really no one local who would have taken your children if you went into labour, even just until your mum arrived? No friends you could ask?

I think that the pay off for having family help in situations like this is choosing to live nearby (assuming they are willing to help in an emergency, which most generally are).

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 17:25

I disagree as a one off FIL could have helped but feckless men are not going to change.

What's feckless about attending a pre-planned work event?

BlankBlankBlank14 · 20/07/2025 17:26

DonnyBurrito · 20/07/2025 17:13

Your mum sounds amazing and it is unfair your partner's only available parent isn't bending over backwards to the same (equitable) extent.

He's chosen to prioritise getting pissed over supporting his son and his family at a vulnerable and important time. I'd have lost a lot of respect for him, too. It's not like it was an unavoidable work trip or an expensive holiday that he couldn't get the money back for. It was just getting pissed with people from work.

He's shown you how important you all are to him, give him the same treatment back. When he's elderly and is calling in the favours, you will be well within your rights to say "No thanks, we'd rather go out getting pissed".

“He’s prioritised getting pissed”, Mumsnet bingo!

OP wasn’t concerned about a hungover man looking after her children though was she? I mean, is he safe? Would he be bad tempered if hungover? blah blah?

He the sensible one, said no, on that day I will be drinking (I mean how dare he, he should definitely drop his social plans and his works event, to suit OPs birthing plans). and not up to babysitting two young children the next day. Sensible id say!

How very dare a grandparent have a life outside of his grandchildren.

MouldyCandy · 20/07/2025 17:27

@Starlightbright200
OP, can you please explain exactly what you wanted/needed FIL to do. You'd had your baby so there was no more need for overnight childcare or school pick-ups, your Mum had tidied the house in the 2 weeks she'd been with you so what was it he was needed for?

DrFoxtrot · 20/07/2025 17:29

If all you wanted was someone to be there quickly for the labour, why does FIL need to relieve your mum? Can’t she just go home now and he visit when he can?

OriginalUsername2 · 20/07/2025 17:29

Am I reading this correctly - you asked your partners dad to travel down and stay in your home with just you and the children for a weekend? Because your DP is away, your mum is there but she’s tired herself out and you might give birth?

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 20/07/2025 17:29

QuantumPanic · 20/07/2025 16:58

OP: Mum, will you come and stay with us around the birth of my third child, so that DH can go to the hospital with me? It's a long way to travel and we obviously don't know exactly when the baby will appear, so could you stay for two weeks?

OP's mum, a normal person: Sure thing.

[OP's mum, a normal person, does what normal people do when in the presence of a heavily pregnant woman and two young kids, and tries to help out with chores, etc., as much as possible, despite being in her 70s and despite OP imploring her not to.]

OP: FIL, my mum has been with us for almost two weeks. We hoped the baby would be here by now, but no luck. My mum is tired - would you be able to take over as our on-call person for this one weekend?

FIL: No.

OP: Mumsnet, AIBU?

Mumsnet: You should be ashamed for not surviving as an island nation of you and DH. How dare you ask for support. That's not what family is for!

Or at least, that's how I read it. 🤷 Could be wrong.

You are

FIL: No, I already have plans

OP: Well come after them

FIL: No. I'll be hungover/tired the next day and then I have work the day after. I need to rest

OP: Has it out with him later anyway

Thegreatescape12345 · 20/07/2025 17:30

I don't think it's asking a lot for a parent (or in law) to be your childcare during the birth of a baby so you can both be there at the birth, especially as your mum who is your main support is going through chemo.

However it sounds like FIL has never been that involved, and so your expectation that he would cancel or curtail his plans to accommodate this life event for you was unrealistic.

Just expect nothing of him and you won't be disappointed.

And all these people saying why do you need help, just get on with it, are batshit. We don't have regular help from our parents by any stretch of the imagination and have only had the odd date night in years - but when we do have help it's bloody amazing and many families do value and rely on that support! Of COURSE help makes things a lot easier. just because some people manage without it doesn't mean everyone should, if it's available.

BlankBlankBlank14 · 20/07/2025 17:31

Thegreatescape12345 · 20/07/2025 17:30

I don't think it's asking a lot for a parent (or in law) to be your childcare during the birth of a baby so you can both be there at the birth, especially as your mum who is your main support is going through chemo.

However it sounds like FIL has never been that involved, and so your expectation that he would cancel or curtail his plans to accommodate this life event for you was unrealistic.

Just expect nothing of him and you won't be disappointed.

And all these people saying why do you need help, just get on with it, are batshit. We don't have regular help from our parents by any stretch of the imagination and have only had the odd date night in years - but when we do have help it's bloody amazing and many families do value and rely on that support! Of COURSE help makes things a lot easier. just because some people manage without it doesn't mean everyone should, if it's available.

But it wasn’t available! FIL had plans, so he wasn’t available.

But OP felt it appropriate to then “hash it out with him”.

Digdongdoo · 20/07/2025 17:32

The biggest difference between your Mum and FIL is clearly that he works and she doesn't. So no, you can't ask him to miss a work event to come and stay just in case you go into labour.
And for goodness sake stop getting your mum to do housework! She's 72 years old! She shouldn't have been so tired she needs a break if she was supposedly only there just in case. There shouldn't have been heavy lifting for either of them to do given nobody was actually giving birth yet!

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 20/07/2025 17:32

I think a lot of the comments on here are a bit weird (most of the women I know in their early 70s would be outraged at the suggestion that they were too old to be expected to be able or willing to support their daughter and her young children). But am I right that you are upset that your FIL wouldn't cancel his work do to stay the weekend with you in case you went into labour? I can see he's probably been a bit rubbish but that doesn't really seem reasonable, not for number 3.

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 20/07/2025 17:32

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 17:05

Yes of course but having someone you can call in the middle of the night and hope they wake up is different to your family being there. As mentioned neither one of us have local family so we would never have had them there if they lived round the corner.

Did you even ask if any of them would do it?

Or did it go "ask elderly mother and then ask busy FIL to take over from her for a weekend (at some point). Both of whom live ages away..."?

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 20/07/2025 17:34

I was on call for my neighbour when she was pregnant with number 2 so that her husband could go with her if she went into labour overnight.

soupyspoon · 20/07/2025 17:34

Meadowfinch · 20/07/2025 17:20

Or reading it another way, FIL has a career, still working full time. He had a prior commitment to a necessary work event so when asked to help, he said no, sorry, I'm not available.

If OP had accepted that, all would have been fine, but instead she rang him and berated him for pursuing his career. Unsurprisingly he wasn't impressed.

There is a big difference between the OP asking for help, and thinking she has the right to tell other people how they should run their lives.

Well it was worse than that, he said he couldnt do it and explained why and then got a snarky response from his son and then the silent treatment.

THEN after ignoring him and him probably feeling he couldnt contact them as he wouldnt know what sort of response he would get, he then gets the full blast from OP who rings him up to have a go.

DonnyBurrito · 20/07/2025 17:35

Meadowfinch · 20/07/2025 17:20

Or reading it another way, FIL has a career, still working full time. He had a prior commitment to a necessary work event so when asked to help, he said no, sorry, I'm not available.

If OP had accepted that, all would have been fine, but instead she rang him and berated him for pursuing his career. Unsurprisingly he wasn't impressed.

There is a big difference between the OP asking for help, and thinking she has the right to tell other people how they should run their lives.

No, he prioritised getting pissed. He could have gone to the work thing and just had lunch, stayed for a few hours, then said "sorry lads my newest grandchild has just arrived and I want to support my son and his wife, so I'm only staying for a few hours so I can be fresh and helpful for them when they need it the most". He could have hopped on the train that night.

You do realise OP said the baby was born a few days ago?

Even if he only came for the day because he had work on Monday, that would have at least shown the OP and her husband that he was caring and supportive.

But no, he prioritised getting pissed. What a brilliant grandad.

EDIT: Just realised she asked him to stay before the baby was actually born. That changes things a bit, but not much.

tumblingdowntherabbithole · 20/07/2025 17:35

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 20/07/2025 17:32

I think a lot of the comments on here are a bit weird (most of the women I know in their early 70s would be outraged at the suggestion that they were too old to be expected to be able or willing to support their daughter and her young children). But am I right that you are upset that your FIL wouldn't cancel his work do to stay the weekend with you in case you went into labour? I can see he's probably been a bit rubbish but that doesn't really seem reasonable, not for number 3.

OP's mum may have been willing - but IMO she should never have been asked to begin with. It's being cheeky.

ForestElfGirl · 20/07/2025 17:35

There is nothing wrong with wanting help and support from your family - especially around the birth of a child! It is sad that because other people did not have any family help, they feel you should be happy with the same. It takes a village and all that... Wishing you all the best with your new baby x

Poodlelove · 20/07/2025 17:37

30 years ago when our children were little we managed , husband working 6 days a week and me doing night shifts , parents were helpful but it wasn't very often and only stayed over night when our second child was born but the minute I got home the next day they went .
I think that they were just engrossed in their own lives and had bought up their own children and it was time for them.
I think it's different if parents stay together those families seem to do alot more together but split families like mine were too busy.
Two weeks is a very long time to ask someone to stay for.Thats too much.
When your FIL is older you will have a little more free time so be as helpful to him as he was to you !!!

Freeme31 · 20/07/2025 17:37

Stop having children you can’t look after it is no one’s job but yours & your husband’s. You are completely out of order thinking you “deserve” support from anyone

Mildmanneredmum · 20/07/2025 17:37

I haven't read through to the end, but you say early on that your mum arrived "too late" for DC2's birth? what happened then?

Starlightbright200 · 20/07/2025 17:38

BlankBlankBlank14 · 20/07/2025 17:16

You got it wrong…

FIL .. Didn’t just say no, it was no I’ve got plans for that weekend, it’s a works do that’s been arranged for a long time. It’s going to be heavy night, I don’t think I’m up to babysitting two young children after that. You see, I’ve raised my children, so I’ve got freedom now to be able to attend these things without concern and arranging babysitting or worrying about children the next day.

I actually agree with this!!! But the problem is…he didn’t do that first time round and MIL has all too many tales to tell me.

OP posts:
UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 20/07/2025 17:38

Nextdoormat · 20/07/2025 17:20

I disagree as a one off FIL could have helped but feckless men are not going to change. All the ppl criticising should ask themselves did they or would they like to give birth without any support? Thought not!
As for having another child your life your decision no one else's business.
When FIL is older and gets illnesses and is lonely and reaches out I would give him a reminder.
Hope you and you little family are settling and enjoying each other.💕

This is quite nasty

But equally, with elderly parents who need help, we can still say "I have plans that day, I can't help"

Meadowfinch · 20/07/2025 17:38

But @DonnyBurrito , if the request for FIL to travel was after the baby was born, why did anyone extra need to be there?

OP is on maternity leave and OP's dh is on paternity leave.