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Thread 8: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 16/07/2025 23:41

Well, this has turned out to be slightly longer than the dozen or so replies I expected when I started the first thread!

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

2nd Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

3rd Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

4th Observer
‘I felt I was being gaslit’ – the landlord who helped Ray...

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

New posters welcome. It would be helpful to read at least the four Observer items above before posting.

To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Please do not engage with possible visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail.

We have done amazingly well together - in the main that is, not mentioning any names but you know who you are! - for seven threads so far. I can't be on the threads as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion ticking along in a healthy and civil fashion is very welcome.

No saltiness. Keep to the path. Thank you.

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DisappointedReader · 19/07/2025 23:56

Humankindness · 19/07/2025 23:29

Well I have been called Raynor Winn, Raynor’s agent, Raynor’s friend, a generalised plant, a flouncy drive-by, and sanctimonious. I’ve also been told that I’m unable to digest a large amount of information, don’t understand what evidence is, and have been laughed at for a spelling mistake. As OP, I would hope that you will apply the same standards to the inner circle of Miss Marples on this thread.

Indeed I do apply the same standards to everyone. Almost every single poster has worked together to make these threads an interesting and civil place to discuss the TSP debacle. After 8 threads and approaching 8000 posts by countless different posters there is no inner circle. I make it clear that new posters are welcome. However you seem to have come with a clear, closed, somewhat hypocritical and hypercritical agenda to pontificate and to scold, rather than to discuss. I would recommend that you re-read your contributions with an equally critical eye and consider why you have received the responses you have. Posters have, in the main, been incredibly tolerant.

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AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 20/07/2025 00:03

As OP, I would hope that you will apply the same standards to the inner circle of Miss Marples on this thread.

I'd prefer Nancy Drew please.
Miss Marple is about 300 years old and incredibly irritatingly smug a bit like the WalkerWinns.

FudgeitOnaBudget · 20/07/2025 00:07

Thanks to ChatGPT. (And, just to be transparent, I exercised an agent's right to tweak a few bits of text.)

Salted: A Ballad of Mistaken Men
— For Simon

Upon the Cornish edge he trod,
With boots all brined, the lanes all odd,
A neckerchief about his throat—
Half bard, half pirate, half wild goat.
The sea below, a salted drum,
Beat out the thought: “This path’s become
A kind of line that men mistake—”
They called him Moth, for heaven's sake.

“Hi! Moth!” they cried from cliff and dell,
As if the years could cast that spell—
As if a poem's gait and glance
Could hike the coast without mischance.
Simon... (Armitage, to you)
Was dunking tea-bags, lost in view
Of clouds that curled like pasties’ steam
Above the mug of poet’s dream.

But fame, it seems, wears many skins;
He bore the burden, walked the sins
Of another's name (though Simon’s track
Was more of fudge stuffed in a pack).
He’d nicked it (hush) from a travellers’ store—
“Samples, mate!” he laughed once more.
The sugar dusted teeth and chin,
A subtle theft behind his grin.

The sea-wind hurled its salt with glee,
It clung to fleece and poetry.
A crust of brine, a verse undone,
A path mistaken, yet still run.
So if you see him on that trail—
With neckerchief and stride grown pale—
Don’t shout for Moth, or start to preach.
Just hand him fudge, and mind your speech.

For poets walk where others roam,
And take the orange wrappers, home.

StaySpicy · 20/07/2025 00:07

This thread is just priceless! Especially the last couple of pages 🤣🤣

Thanks, All, you've taken my mind off my woes for a bit but I'm not happy I now have the finger of fudge song as an earworm...

AldoGordo · 20/07/2025 00:09

DisappointedReader · 19/07/2025 23:56

Indeed I do apply the same standards to everyone. Almost every single poster has worked together to make these threads an interesting and civil place to discuss the TSP debacle. After 8 threads and approaching 8000 posts by countless different posters there is no inner circle. I make it clear that new posters are welcome. However you seem to have come with a clear, closed, somewhat hypocritical and hypercritical agenda to pontificate and to scold, rather than to discuss. I would recommend that you re-read your contributions with an equally critical eye and consider why you have received the responses you have. Posters have, in the main, been incredibly tolerant.

If I may also make an observation, I would add that playing the victim because one's views and presentation of them have been dismissed doesn't carry much weight here. When cogent arguments, opinions or thoughts are presented, it creates healthy debate and light-hearted humour as we've witnessed throughout these 8 threads. If that happens to be at RW's expense then its the least of her troubles as someone in the public eye.

Talking of threads, I see number 9 is now within sight - all but a salty headland away. Ahoy!

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 20/07/2025 00:12

👏👏 bravo @FudgeitOnaBudget .

This bit could really do with being pinned to the top of every thread: Don’t shout for Moth, or start to preach. Just hand him fudge, and mind your speech.

🤣🤣

FurryHappyKittens · 20/07/2025 00:15

Half bard, half pirate, half wild goat.

😂😂😂😂😂

Aspanielstolemysanity · 20/07/2025 00:16

FurryHappyKittens · 20/07/2025 00:15

Half bard, half pirate, half wild goat.

😂😂😂😂😂

Grin
AldoGordo · 20/07/2025 00:18

FurryHappyKittens · 20/07/2025 00:15

Half bard, half pirate, half wild goat.

😂😂😂😂😂

That floored me too. 🤣

FurryHappyKittens · 20/07/2025 00:19

How many halves does Simon Armitage have???

FudgeitOnaBudget · 20/07/2025 00:19

Half bard, half pirate, half wild goat.

Chat GPT was on fine form tonight. Made me laugh out loud and I didn't edit that bit. 😁

AldoGordo · 20/07/2025 00:20

FurryHappyKittens · 20/07/2025 00:19

How many halves does Simon Armitage have???

🤣

Aspanielstolemysanity · 20/07/2025 00:21

FurryHappyKittens · 20/07/2025 00:19

How many halves does Simon Armitage have???

I think even Penguin would spot the flaw in that Grin

AldoGordo · 20/07/2025 00:28

Aspanielstolemysanity · 20/07/2025 00:21

I think even Penguin would spot the flaw in that Grin

This makes me think that the way the Cooper investment story was written was a bit like one of those confusing riddle-like maths questions at school.

"If Simon has one neckerchief and Moth has seventeen fudge bars, then how many halves does Sally need to steal buy a cream tea?"

DisappointedReader · 20/07/2025 00:28

Ahoy me hearties pathies and shiver me timbers fudges, behold Thread 9:

Thread 9: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film? | Mumsnet

Please fill up this one first before jumping ship to the next.

Thread 9: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film? | Mumsnet

The Observer [[https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-real-salt-path-how-the-couple-behind-a-bestseller-left-a-trail-of-debt-and-deceit The...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5376712-thread-9-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film

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Fandango52 · 20/07/2025 00:35

FudgeitOnaBudget · 20/07/2025 00:07

Thanks to ChatGPT. (And, just to be transparent, I exercised an agent's right to tweak a few bits of text.)

Salted: A Ballad of Mistaken Men
— For Simon

Upon the Cornish edge he trod,
With boots all brined, the lanes all odd,
A neckerchief about his throat—
Half bard, half pirate, half wild goat.
The sea below, a salted drum,
Beat out the thought: “This path’s become
A kind of line that men mistake—”
They called him Moth, for heaven's sake.

“Hi! Moth!” they cried from cliff and dell,
As if the years could cast that spell—
As if a poem's gait and glance
Could hike the coast without mischance.
Simon... (Armitage, to you)
Was dunking tea-bags, lost in view
Of clouds that curled like pasties’ steam
Above the mug of poet’s dream.

But fame, it seems, wears many skins;
He bore the burden, walked the sins
Of another's name (though Simon’s track
Was more of fudge stuffed in a pack).
He’d nicked it (hush) from a travellers’ store—
“Samples, mate!” he laughed once more.
The sugar dusted teeth and chin,
A subtle theft behind his grin.

The sea-wind hurled its salt with glee,
It clung to fleece and poetry.
A crust of brine, a verse undone,
A path mistaken, yet still run.
So if you see him on that trail—
With neckerchief and stride grown pale—
Don’t shout for Moth, or start to preach.
Just hand him fudge, and mind your speech.

For poets walk where others roam,
And take the orange wrappers, home.

Chapeau, Fudge!! I particularly love the ‘bard/pirate/wild goat’ bit 😂😂 I hope Simon sees this and adds it to his next book - with your permission and all royalties to you, of course.

DisappointedReader · 20/07/2025 00:42

TonstantWeader · 19/07/2025 22:59

Jeez, that's awful, @DisappointedReader . We had families allegedly couriering luggage across the border to not get caught travelling to their second homes, but nothing like that. And then getting v cross when the locals dobbed them in for being here.....

Sorry to hear that. We had the second homers suddenly appearing too under cover of darkness and taking up residence for the duration, when their 'bolt holes' are usually empty most of the time. Off they popped again afterwards, just leaving their rubbish behind.

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FudgeitOnaBudget · 20/07/2025 01:15

Fandango52 · 20/07/2025 00:35

Chapeau, Fudge!! I particularly love the ‘bard/pirate/wild goat’ bit 😂😂 I hope Simon sees this and adds it to his next book - with your permission and all royalties to you, of course.

This could get complicated. 'I don't have all the evidence' 😄to support which bits ChatGPT wrote and which ones I, as agent/co-author, wrote or edited just now.

Never mind. I had a brainwave and asked my ChatGPT friend if I can donate royalties from a chatgpt poem to a charity cleaning up Cornish beaches, for example. I thought that might solve the problem.

ChatGPT replied:
Yes, you absolutely can donate royalties from your ChatGPT poem to a charity cleaning up Cornish beaches—but it involves a few steps to do it properly under UK law.

[That sounded very hopeful. However...]

It then followed this with 45 lines of things to think about arranged in five sections which included a 'pros and cons' table, stuff about assigning royalty rights, capital asset relief, HMRC regs, Gift Aid etc and then a summary.

Very nicely at the end, it added 'If you'd like, I can help you draft simple wording for a royalty assignment or find charities working to clean up beaches in Cornwall—just say the word!'

So, if Simon wants my vague share of the poem, capital asset relief and all, for his forthcoming work, he is welcome to it for free. This is official. I have you lot as witnesses to my decision. I will leave it to him or his agent to discuss the finer points of who wrote what and where the copyright might lie with ChatGPT itself. I wish him luck. 😄

Choux · 20/07/2025 01:16

TonstantWeader · 19/07/2025 22:05

It's in her replies, not her posts. On 16 Jul she posted the clip of the MP in the HoC comparing Starmer's speech to TSP. Someone asks her 'is there more to come on this saga?' and she replies 'worth buying the Observer this Sunday.'

I think the ‘someone’ to whom you are referring is actually our very own @Catwith69lives!!!

Fandango52 · 20/07/2025 01:17

FudgeitOnaBudget · 20/07/2025 01:15

This could get complicated. 'I don't have all the evidence' 😄to support which bits ChatGPT wrote and which ones I, as agent/co-author, wrote or edited just now.

Never mind. I had a brainwave and asked my ChatGPT friend if I can donate royalties from a chatgpt poem to a charity cleaning up Cornish beaches, for example. I thought that might solve the problem.

ChatGPT replied:
Yes, you absolutely can donate royalties from your ChatGPT poem to a charity cleaning up Cornish beaches—but it involves a few steps to do it properly under UK law.

[That sounded very hopeful. However...]

It then followed this with 45 lines of things to think about arranged in five sections which included a 'pros and cons' table, stuff about assigning royalty rights, capital asset relief, HMRC regs, Gift Aid etc and then a summary.

Very nicely at the end, it added 'If you'd like, I can help you draft simple wording for a royalty assignment or find charities working to clean up beaches in Cornwall—just say the word!'

So, if Simon wants my vague share of the poem, capital asset relief and all, for his forthcoming work, he is welcome to it for free. This is official. I have you lot as witnesses to my decision. I will leave it to him or his agent to discuss the finer points of who wrote what and where the copyright might lie with ChatGPT itself. I wish him luck. 😄

😂😂

TonstantWeader · 20/07/2025 07:24

Choux · 20/07/2025 01:16

I think the ‘someone’ to whom you are referring is actually our very own @Catwith69lives!!!

D’oh, of course it is! 🤦‍♀️ I don’t tend to look at the actual usernames, just the pics/account handles. That’ll teach me 🤣

Divegirl65 · 20/07/2025 07:42

AldoGordo · 19/07/2025 23:16

Grant's a liar too! I knew he was shifty.

Actually just looking at the book again.....he said 38 degrees max! Down to 34 degrees by the time RayMoth staggered down to Duckpool.

Humankindness · 20/07/2025 07:56

SuffolkSun · 19/07/2025 23:53

@Humankindness Any comment on the Times, Telegraph, Mail, Spectator, Sun, BBC etc who have all reported extensively on the matter? Are their pieces equally full of holes? Should they also be focused on more important matters?

In what way is interviewing Consultant Neurologists about the progress of rare neurodegenerative disorders and reporting their perspective making "insinuations"?

Having read both Sally Walker's "rebuttal" and listened to Mrs Hemmings and her daughter account of events - I'm confident that there was embezzlement.

Probably best to reserve the hyperbole for a piece of fiction, should you ever chose to write one. Asking an author about large holes in their high-profile "completely factual" piece of work isn't hanging, drawing and quartering.

Widespread press attention for some people must be deeply uncomfortably, I agree. It's slightly harder to argue that case when the subject in this instance has spoken to print and broadcast outlets on numerous occasions over the past few years.

Yes. From what I’ve read most of the other newspapers have simply repeated verbatim or marginally repurposed the original Observer article,

Humankindness · 20/07/2025 08:09

AldoGordo · 20/07/2025 00:09

If I may also make an observation, I would add that playing the victim because one's views and presentation of them have been dismissed doesn't carry much weight here. When cogent arguments, opinions or thoughts are presented, it creates healthy debate and light-hearted humour as we've witnessed throughout these 8 threads. If that happens to be at RW's expense then its the least of her troubles as someone in the public eye.

Talking of threads, I see number 9 is now within sight - all but a salty headland away. Ahoy!

Edited

No victim here. Merely a list to show how opposing views are dealt with on this thread.

Your bad. And as I said before, not a good look for mumsnet.

Choux · 20/07/2025 08:27

All those publications are hardly ‘gutter press’ though and their stories were passed for publication by teams of lawyers. They are all telling marginally the same story as the Observer because… it’s true! And there is evidence to support it.

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