Thread 8: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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Well, this has turned out to be slightly longer than the dozen or so replies I expected when I started the first thread!

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

2nd Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

3rd Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

4th Observer
‘I felt I was being gaslit’ – the landlord who helped Ray...

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

New posters welcome. It would be helpful to read at least the four Observer items above before posting.

To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Please do not engage with possible visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail.

We have done amazingly well together - in the main that is, not mentioning any names but you know who you are! - for seven threads so far. I can't be on the threads as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion ticking along in a healthy and civil fashion is very welcome.

No saltiness. Keep to the path. Thank you.

PIP is awarded based on how a diagnosis affects a person, not just by diagnosis alone @SuffolkSun

It has been extensively discussed on the earlier threads, but in short PIP is not easy to get. Nor is help from Social Care services!

Jane Austen is the least ‘flowery’ writer ever. And her style does not in any way resemble Raynor’s Winn’s!

Yes I may be wrong with PIP if it wasn’t actually affecting daily living -. Hard to say ‘well I may have been diagnosed with a degenerative neurological illness but I am walking 130 miles a week and humping heavy camping gear etc-‘ I’m not sure what help in terms of financial help you can get if you don’t appear to be affected in terms of daily living . The reason I mentioned it is because I know people with what on paper are better prognosis who do get such help , be it fibromyalgia, ME, and various other disorders/chronic conditions - it just seemed unlikely to me they would get next to zero help after they lost the house.

https://www.countryliving.com/uk/wildlife/countryside/a64976957/raynor-winn-the-salt-path-interview/
A tent in the bedroom, a flat behind a chapel, am I missing something here?

While I agree with the bulk of your post, in relation to what would happen at an appointment of this nature, I wonder if there isn't actually a bit of a perception gap.

I can see that consultants may feel that they do a pretty thorough appointment with lots of information being shared. But I know only too well from my own experience and that of other patients that actually that's not what it feels like to the patient. And you do, for all sorts of understandable reasons,.come out of the appointment feeling a bit lke they've said "sucks eh let me know how you get on".

@Smike I guess we can all read things in different ways - it’s not the same thing at all I do get that but I’m not a big fan of 20 words when 2 will suffice - to be honest I find Jane Austen pretty boring ( ironically I live in Bath) and I find the salt path boring in a similar way - so flowery may not be the right word . It’s just my personal view- and yep as a 63 year old I’m probably in the minority amongst the demographic they sell a lot to .

That’s what I’m saying —JA is pretty laconic. You won’t find raptures about sunsets in any of her novels.

I don’t think she’s particularly interested in nature except where she can use it to strand a character in a shop in a sudden shower, or provide a convenient shrubbery for a private conversation. I imagine she’d be enormously satirical about Raynor’s Winn’s paeans to the outdoors, like Marianne’s Romantic vapours in Sense and Sensibility.

😂

Funny you are all talking about Jane Austen because I was just thinking the other day about the echoes of Mr Wickham in the RayMoth story - the way he has everyone lapping up the story of how he is the victim

@SuffolkSun unless you or your child is diagnosed with autism, in which case you’re very much left to get on with it! But yes with other more physical conditions my child has had there have been tons of follow up appointments and tests

I don’t disagree, but I can’t help feeling that there’s a bit of a parallel between the consultant’s ’smug, tight lips’ and the offhand woman in the council office’s tight ponytail and ‘strong Welsh accent’.

I mean, it’s understandable that you resent the well guy giving you a bad prognosis and the woman with a roof over her head saying you’re not a housing priority, but I suspect most of us would either make it clear that this was our subjective view at a really low point, or rewrite it. I mean, it’s not actually needed in either scene. The consultant could have been the nicest man in the world, and the council office’s woman apologetic about them not being a priority, and the effect would have been the same.

@HumankindnessI did read you post and whilst I don't agree with it, I thank you for replying and answering my questions.

Totally missing the point but the smugness is seriously radiating out of both of them in that photo.

Incidentally, when a Hospital Consultant (of any discipline) delivers a diagnosis of a serious, chronic condition, they don't then just chuck the patient out of the office with a cheery "Sucks, eh, let me know how you get on." Next steps and treatment plan are discussed, further appointments (with Clinical staff, physio, speech therapy etc) are scheduled, information booklets are handed over, other sources of advice and assistance signposted.

I think this is another reason that points to the 2015 letter as being the first time the CBS/CBD diagnosis is mentioned - the consultant points TW towards the charity that can give him information, and is careful to explain that much of the information will not be relevant to him. None of this would be necessary if the diagnosis had been made in 2013.

I do see that (and have been on both sides!)

Perhaps… but my experience is that these letters do sometimes contain mistakes and don’t always correctly reference every other communication made within the NHS.

I don't understand why Penguin haven't been more forthcoming..either to defend their author or to reassure those that spent money on their books that if RW has been dishonest, they won't allow this to happen again.

Ros Hemmings has just been interviewed on the BBC news at six. It's a bit strange it's taken this long when the story has been out for nearly a fortnight so I wonder if this is because the beeb know somethings coming in the Observer this weekend.

BBC just had an interview with Ros Hemmings and Debbie on the 6 o’clock news. the story is not going anywhere. And yet still Sally has not provided evidence To the general public or got her lawyers to silence anyone or got media outlets to apologise by proving what they have said is incorrect.

So pleased for Ros Hemmings that she is finally being heard.

BBC News has a big reach.

418 million people worldwide per week.

(BBC Media Centre figures)

All very well attacking hysterical outrage on social media outlets but when your alleged embezzlement appears on the main 6pm BBC1 news, that is a bit of a game changer.

Managed mea culpa in the works after this Sunday's Observer article?

I can imagine they don't know what to do right now.

They made a huge mistake not verifying the various impossible to believe claims regarding Moth's alleged terminal prognosis, the house, etc in TSP.

Weird, it's one of the things everyone learns straight away at uni isn't it? Evaluate your sources, cross check, etc etc.

This makes Penguin look like a totally amateur and unreliable organisation.

The report of the same BBC News at 6 interview with the Hemmings has also consistently been the first and second most read item on the BBC News website today.

ETA Currently at no 9.