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Thread 8: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 16/07/2025 23:41

Well, this has turned out to be slightly longer than the dozen or so replies I expected when I started the first thread!

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

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https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

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https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

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‘I felt I was being gaslit’ – the landlord who helped Ray...

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

New posters welcome. It would be helpful to read at least the four Observer items above before posting.

To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Please do not engage with possible visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail.

We have done amazingly well together - in the main that is, not mentioning any names but you know who you are! - for seven threads so far. I can't be on the threads as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion ticking along in a healthy and civil fashion is very welcome.

No saltiness. Keep to the path. Thank you.

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AldoGordo · 18/07/2025 14:54

Nameychangington · 18/07/2025 14:44

I think buying a wreck of an ancient farm building in rural France is right on brand for them. It's partly keeping up with the Joneses (TWs brother), and partly playing into their middle class vaguely hippy self image as rustic types, doing up a rural French house by hand themselves while living in tents is right up their alley.

Whereas investing in a property company doesn't tie into their image at all. They're not the type of people who invest, they're eco friendly simple country folk in tune with nature and the land! And certainly not in residential property, surely private landlords are evil capitalists exploiting poor people (which they sometimes claim to be, just not the type of poor people who live in a council house because everyone would gossip).

I've mentioned this before but it would not surprise me if the Cooper story is, in reality, a mixture of two events and two people.

The investment in a property portfolio with a childhood friend could easily be in connection to the French ruin and his brother, whom TW did grow up with and probably rode trikes together, shared teenage years etc. (It's conceivable they even had a financial dispute given the nephew chat).

Meanwhile, the other part of Cooper is fulfilled by the businessman half-uncle loaning them money. Conjecture of course, but the truth is up for grabs.

Animaladina · 18/07/2025 14:56

Raymoth claims they couldn’t afford legal advice as ran out of money, yet they have kept hold of the property in France?? Surely it held some value - even if it was a few thousands euros 🤔

VerySwettyBetty · 18/07/2025 14:59

Can someone please remind me what the story is regarding the French properties? Did a brother own the pigeonnier next to their France property? Or was it the other way around?

And is that the same brother who owns the chateau & wrote the novel?

Uricon2 · 18/07/2025 14:59

At the time they bought the French property (2007), Salray was embezzling from the Hemmings. I'm not sure how anyone could be OK with that.

AldoGordo · 18/07/2025 15:03

VerySwettyBetty · 18/07/2025 14:59

Can someone please remind me what the story is regarding the French properties? Did a brother own the pigeonnier next to their France property? Or was it the other way around?

And is that the same brother who owns the chateau & wrote the novel?

Yes, brother owned the pigeonier next door to the French ruin the Walkers bought. This same brother also owned, and still does, a large and ancient chateau approx 40 mins away by car. And he also wrote the book Stopcock.

VerySwettyBetty · 18/07/2025 15:05

Interesting 🤔

Is there any info out there that we know of about when the pigeonnier was sold, do you know?

AldoGordo · 18/07/2025 15:09

VerySwettyBetty · 18/07/2025 15:05

Interesting 🤔

Is there any info out there that we know of about when the pigeonnier was sold, do you know?

I belive the brother still owns it and the Walkers still own the neighbouring ruin. There were articles in the Times and DM about it.

[ETA or do you mean when it was sold to the brother?]

User14March · 18/07/2025 15:16

AldoGordo · 18/07/2025 15:03

Yes, brother owned the pigeonier next door to the French ruin the Walkers bought. This same brother also owned, and still does, a large and ancient chateau approx 40 mins away by car. And he also wrote the book Stopcock.

Apparently he’s tried to distance himself from his writing & now a ‘conservator’ not ‘author’. It’s made wonder about ‘Stopcock’.

VerySwettyBetty · 18/07/2025 15:17

AldoGordo · 18/07/2025 15:09

I belive the brother still owns it and the Walkers still own the neighbouring ruin. There were articles in the Times and DM about it.

[ETA or do you mean when it was sold to the brother?]

Edited

No, that’s what I meant, thanks. For some reason I thought it he didn’t own it any more.

Catwith69lives · 18/07/2025 15:18

I made a comment earlier about it being impossible for Moth to have carried an erect tent up a beach, as described in the first chapter of TSP.

Well, having done some more research, it looks like I was wrong. I suspect they had a Vango Halo 300 tent and it can be carried around once erected. So, I have to admit, that the tent incident could have taken place as described.

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User14March · 18/07/2025 15:18

*made me wonder.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 18/07/2025 15:20

VogonPoetLaureate · 18/07/2025 09:06

I absolute don't think they did most of the Clovelly to probably Boscastle stretch. It is where the real cliffs, coombes and geography field trip points are.
And do you know why?
When it's low tide, which they don't seem to mention, you can walk the shoreline, cut a lot of the elevation out. It's absolutely glorious as well.

Right, it's sunny and high tide, I've got some ancient greek toga on and I'm off to troll the Emmets (tourists) on the cliff path.
Beware the tortoise, the path is littered wif 'em.
That ain't no ordinary rabbit
That there seagull peregrine has been watching for you
Have you come on holiday by mistake.

Because that's what we always do, have long random conversations rather than just saying good morning and walking on.

Walking up Clovelly made me feel like I'd done the entire SWCP,it's so steep 😂

SuffolkSun · 18/07/2025 15:46

Anything is possible. It's potentially possible that the Hemmings family, their solicitor, their bank manager, the local police station, more than one local village business, the Walkers' village neighbour, Bill Coles, Bill Coles' friend, the Walker's relative's widow in London...have all engaged in a formless conspiracy since 2008, just biding their time to speak to the press and make serious allegations about the writer of TSP and her husband. And it's also possible that the Observer, Mail, Times, Telegraph, BBC, Spectator and other media outlets just credulously publish one person's version of events without research, fact-checking or attempting to speak to the "other side."

On the other hand, Occam's Razor.

It's certainly unfortunate that the Consultant letter confirming a diagnosis of CBD was issued in Summer 2013 seems to have gone missing. Apropos of nothing, describing a Consultant as having "smug, tight lips" (TSP, p.15) is rather odd, imo.

Incidentally, when a Hospital Consultant (of any discipline) delivers a diagnosis of a serious, chronic condition, they don't then just chuck the patient out of the office with a cheery "Sucks, eh, let me know how you get on." Next steps and treatment plan are discussed, further appointments (with Clinical staff, physio, speech therapy etc) are scheduled, information booklets are handed over, other sources of advice and assistance signposted. If one were on the brink of becoming homeless, this would be mentioned, surely, because it impacts ongoing care.

Ah well. People will believe what they want to believe. And the threads have been very entertaining.

VogonPoetLaureate · 18/07/2025 15:51

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 18/07/2025 15:20

Walking up Clovelly made me feel like I'd done the entire SWCP,it's so steep 😂

Beware, picnicking near the Clovelly donkeys, a pat on the head, receive you may.

MrsKypp · 18/07/2025 16:09

SuffolkSun · 18/07/2025 15:46

Anything is possible. It's potentially possible that the Hemmings family, their solicitor, their bank manager, the local police station, more than one local village business, the Walkers' village neighbour, Bill Coles, Bill Coles' friend, the Walker's relative's widow in London...have all engaged in a formless conspiracy since 2008, just biding their time to speak to the press and make serious allegations about the writer of TSP and her husband. And it's also possible that the Observer, Mail, Times, Telegraph, BBC, Spectator and other media outlets just credulously publish one person's version of events without research, fact-checking or attempting to speak to the "other side."

On the other hand, Occam's Razor.

It's certainly unfortunate that the Consultant letter confirming a diagnosis of CBD was issued in Summer 2013 seems to have gone missing. Apropos of nothing, describing a Consultant as having "smug, tight lips" (TSP, p.15) is rather odd, imo.

Incidentally, when a Hospital Consultant (of any discipline) delivers a diagnosis of a serious, chronic condition, they don't then just chuck the patient out of the office with a cheery "Sucks, eh, let me know how you get on." Next steps and treatment plan are discussed, further appointments (with Clinical staff, physio, speech therapy etc) are scheduled, information booklets are handed over, other sources of advice and assistance signposted. If one were on the brink of becoming homeless, this would be mentioned, surely, because it impacts ongoing care.

Ah well. People will believe what they want to believe. And the threads have been very entertaining.

Completely agree with this.

WiddlinDiddlin · 18/07/2025 16:22

Humankindness · 17/07/2025 21:16

No I disagree. She’s telling their story from their perspective based on what works for Moth.

As for Bill the cider farm owner reinforcing the idea that Winn has created a false narrative about Moth’s health, I wonder if he’s just hungry for publicity. Everyone seems to have forgotten that there’s a power dynamic in that relationship too. Someone offers you a peppercorn rent (while expecting you to work the land) and then expects a slice of your life. That would be uncomfortable for many.

Edited

Sorry for jumping in and not seeing if this has been raised (at work threads running too fast!)...

As I understood it, they had the farmhouse to live in for free and were paid a small amount for the work on the land they were doing!

I can't currently find the paragraph/reference I am thinking about for that, but that is how it read to me and why he was pissed off that they'd not actually done the work he'd expected but were misleading people as to their role in cider making.

Crikeyalmighty · 18/07/2025 16:23

@SuffolkSun I also can’t help but think with such a serious diagnosis wouldn’t you be getting PIP or other benefits if you were on your uppers?? PIP isn’t based on assets as far as I’m aware .

Crikeyalmighty · 18/07/2025 16:26

You would think with their assets now they would just pay off their tax on the French ruin and either renovate or sell off - I love a good nose through French property sites like leggets and there are tons on uninhabitable projects on there for peanuts that do get sold

Catwith69lives · 18/07/2025 16:27

Crikeyalmighty · 18/07/2025 16:23

@SuffolkSun I also can’t help but think with such a serious diagnosis wouldn’t you be getting PIP or other benefits if you were on your uppers?? PIP isn’t based on assets as far as I’m aware .

I'm not sure about PIP

PIP handbook - GOV.UK

PIP handbook

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-fact-sheets/pip-handbook

Catwith69lives · 18/07/2025 16:30

Crikeyalmighty · 18/07/2025 16:26

You would think with their assets now they would just pay off their tax on the French ruin and either renovate or sell off - I love a good nose through French property sites like leggets and there are tons on uninhabitable projects on there for peanuts that do get sold

At the moment they may have "other fish to fry"!

Prettypekin · 18/07/2025 16:31

Crikeyalmighty · 18/07/2025 16:23

@SuffolkSun I also can’t help but think with such a serious diagnosis wouldn’t you be getting PIP or other benefits if you were on your uppers?? PIP isn’t based on assets as far as I’m aware .

But it is based on what you are able to do and what you need support with, including how far you can walk 😁

SuffolkSun · 18/07/2025 16:38

Crikeyalmighty · 18/07/2025 16:23

@SuffolkSun I also can’t help but think with such a serious diagnosis wouldn’t you be getting PIP or other benefits if you were on your uppers?? PIP isn’t based on assets as far as I’m aware .

I imagine so, and PIP isn't only for people on low incomes - it's about covering the extra costs associated with your condition (personal care and mobility). You'd also be entitled to some assistance through Social Care services.

I guess though that you have to provide a home address, in which the gap between what you have and what you need is assessed....Not sure c/o of the SWCP will be sufficient.

AldoGordo · 18/07/2025 16:38

WiddlinDiddlin · 18/07/2025 16:22

Sorry for jumping in and not seeing if this has been raised (at work threads running too fast!)...

As I understood it, they had the farmhouse to live in for free and were paid a small amount for the work on the land they were doing!

I can't currently find the paragraph/reference I am thinking about for that, but that is how it read to me and why he was pissed off that they'd not actually done the work he'd expected but were misleading people as to their role in cider making.

I think it was a reduced rent rather than feee, and they would be paid a fee for work.

Orangesandlemons77 · 18/07/2025 16:43

I'm not sure they should have been able to claim tax credits with a second property. I thought that excluded you from it.

Merrymouse · 18/07/2025 16:45

Crikeyalmighty · 18/07/2025 16:26

You would think with their assets now they would just pay off their tax on the French ruin and either renovate or sell off - I love a good nose through French property sites like leggets and there are tons on uninhabitable projects on there for peanuts that do get sold

But do people then find out that there is no right to live on the land and no access to utilities, and the area is liable to flooding?

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