One million immigrants claiming benefits

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Just been reading the comments sections of the Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail articles about the one million foreigners claiming benefits in the UK. It feels like the final nail in the coffin and a lot of people will feel even more justified in expressing their anger and hate towards immigrants. What happens when Reform win the next general election and come into power? Will people be rounded up en masse and put in detention centres like the USA?

YouGov is known to be left leaning

Really? Proof of that? Eta: the current CEO used to run Conservative Home.

Reform is popular, though it seems to have pretty much peaked.

Around 70% of the electorate does not support Reform. So that doesn't indicate the vast majority of the public are "sick to the back teeth".

What does it even mean? Does it include children and OAPs for example. Just an shouty race baiting headline.

I haven't called anyone racist.
So, multiculturalism is if someone's shop 'showcases' a certain culture? I'm not quite sure what that means.
And when you say it's not good or services for all, what do you mean? I've certainly been in shops and places like Whitechapel where everything is written in other languages and still been able to buy things and ask for advice about them, despite being white and only speaking English.

Most of the polling results fit in with a left leaning demographic and values.

I don’t know many people who would consider the current conservatives right wing based on conservative principles and what they actually did whilst in power.

• High taxation which is the opposite of the main conservative value.
• High immigration.
• Large welfare state with 53% taking out more than they put in via tax.
• Higher access to abortion.

I would go as far as to say I wouldn’t consider most people who are ‘Tory’ actual Tories so yes - I stand by that irrespective of the founders joining the Tory party I do not consider them conservative. I say this as a non conservative.

Ah, the old "anyone who disgrees with me is on the left/right/ centre/ something else wing" defence.

The rise of Populism is not about "popularity" or "single issue politics". One might argue it isn't about politics at all. In my local area Reform swept to power in the local elections. I am still trying to get my head around how the majority of them are squaring being "against immigration" whilst simultaneously welcoming all the newcomers to the area (i.e "immigrants")!

As for the upward trajectory of right wing parties, I am old enough to have been here, done that and got several T-shirts in the back of the wardrobe. When people are struggling and scared, many look for the simplest answers, and every single political party - including Labour (and especially Labour right now) - will oiffer them up someone to blame. Yes it should be taken seriously, but it isn't just (or perhaps even) the right wing that you need to be watching. Rights are being eroded on purely expedient grounds, with expediency being measured not in terms of moral or ethical values, but in terms of votes. Find yourself someone to blame and blame them for everything. It's worked for centuries and it still works. But be assured, it is still true that whoever you vote for, the government always get in, and Farage and his ilk will bluster and rant, but they will actually do very little. Like everyone else their interest is only votes - they haven't a clue what to do once elected.

High taxation which is the opposite of the main conservative value.

On the wealthy or those on PAYE?

High immigration

Big business likes cheap labour

Large welfare state with 53% taking out more than they put in via tax.

How many of this % are pensioners? Tories will aways go after the grey vote.

It’s a non tangible thing that can be quantified, the feeling of it.

Its a feeling that when you enter the area or in this case, the shop - that you are met with hostility and do not belong. Like you’ve walked in on someone and they weren’t expecting you and aren’t happy you’re there.

I have had the opposite experience of you coming from a ghetto area (yes I’ll call it a ghetto based on the crime, poverty and tribal fights that happened between different groups of all races and cultures). I then moved and have experienced very well done integration where other cultures are cohesively managed. It’s a delicate thing that cannot be done by swamping areas with just one demographic and expecting the current culture (in this case British) to prevail.

I don’t see how it’s bad faith to say this? I’m a Celt myself so have a culture I’d like to preserve, I won’t be shamed for it 🤷‍♀️

Don't back down, double down. And get chatgpt to write your answers.

The Tory government not being right wing. Lol lol lol.

Why are you being hostile?

You asked for data to back someone saying people were sick of it and i stated the rise of right wing parties here and across Europe (lest we forget Trump) is the data.

Whether you like that or not is on you. At no point did I state political affiliation.

Just because someone is able to write a coherent paragraph and state facts without emotion doesn’t mean AI did it.

LOL LOL LOL in your answer clearly shows your maturity level and absolute lack of intelligence. Done with you now.

Gosh, you can trace your lineage back to the ancient Celts! Your opinion is therefore more important than anyone else's as you're pure of blood.

No, a solid democracy needs equilibrium. Maybe a couple of terms of liberal/left policies and then conservative/right depending on how things are. A mix of both.

Not just 30 years of out and out liberalism and lax policing/border control.

I genuinely don't care

it is an absolute luck of the draw that I was born in the UK and not a country at war/with horrendous human rights records
I don't see why I should gatekeep my safety and relative comfort at the expense of others....
I am happy to pay tax and for it to go to those who need it.

I don't think we'll find a middle ground consensus lol, everything you seem furious about doesn't concern me at all

Most of the polling results fit in with a left leaning demographic and values

So why does yougov opinion polling consistently show Reform leading in line with other opinion polls? Or does yougov make an exception for that?

You are talking bollocks, quite frankly and it is a waste of time engaging with you.

Is that because I pointed out flaws in your argument and your bullshit

What I don't understand is why you would come on here and try to push a false narrative. What motivation do you have?

Fuck me, there'll be a lot of Aussies and Kiwis amazed to learn they are now entitled to the UK child benefit by dint of having British blood going back centuries

This is part of the problem, people like yourself are so hyperbolic that no one can have a serious conversation. Thanks for playing.

Those who are living in hotels where food is provided get £8 a week. Those who get £49 a week have to feed themselves out of that.

Your response is why we will inevitably see the rise of idiots like Farage. Because at any point that someone gives you an alternate view or their experience (with no motivation, just discussion) you start with swearing and jeering. You and your ilk are the core reason fascism is on the rise and it’s concerning.

Or perhaps it's more your perception?

I've been in shops staffed by people who are also white, but which sell things that for me are very expensive/exclusive/not really within my experience, and had a similar feeling of not being particularly welcome. Are you talking about things like this? I suspect not.

I just don't get your use of words like 'swamping' because there are some shops and services where the people in them don't look like you and may have other languages. I’ll say it again: I've never been in a shop or service and been unable to communicate, and that is always because the people in there speak and understand English, rather than because I understand any of their languages.

Don’t then?

No one is actively forcing you. At some point we come across people with differing views, the fact you see it as a waste of time is a key part of the issue. It used to be ‘I don’t agree; let’s respectfully move on’. Take care.

Indeed, by pointing out bullshit I'm definitely encouraging fascism.

But you want to preserve your Celtic culture. You're a true indigenous. No forrin names for you, it makes you uncomfortable. All hail the true blood!

All the hand-wringing is not helpful. ASFAIK:

Asylum seekers can not work (legally) nor claim benefits but they are a drain on the public purse.

The majority of 'foreigners' who claim benefits (nb: UC) are EU nationals with post-Brexit settled status and that was happening before Brexit. There was a time even when an EU national with his/her family domiciled in their home EU country could claim CTC and CB and send it back home. Hardly Auf Weidershen Pet.

Most foreign nationals have to show they are/will not be dependent on the state, including paying fees in advance towards any NHS care.

Talk of Reform being the next Govt are pretty fanciful, that said my newly-elected Reform County Councillor does seem worth his salt in terms of getting stuck into the day-to-day grind of local government administration.

We are where we are folks, let's not get hysterical and land blame wherever it best suits are mindset and narratives. We need to sort this shit out, grubby work that it is.

Makes me laugh going back to history as a reason for anything as if the UK (and all the separate nations that make it up) were the only bastard colonialists out there raping and pillaging; the Vikings did a mighty fine job of that after the Romans left. Never mind the Portugese, Spaniards, French, Italians, Germans and even the Americans did elsewhere in more modern times.

Not at all what I said but then sometimes those with deep rooted views will mock those they disagree with.

I’m sure the reintroduction of the Welsh language in schools to preserve the culture and traditions is seen as racist by you yes?