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One million immigrants claiming benefits

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AnxiousApocalypse · 16/07/2025 01:15

Just been reading the comments sections of the Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail articles about the one million foreigners claiming benefits in the UK. It feels like the final nail in the coffin and a lot of people will feel even more justified in expressing their anger and hate towards immigrants. What happens when Reform win the next general election and come into power? Will people be rounded up en masse and put in detention centres like the USA?

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Cloud987 · 16/07/2025 10:50

sashh · 16/07/2025 06:32

So is your partner reporting this illegal work?

He has done to the company he works for but they're under the jurisdiction of deliveroo, just eat etc who knows it's happening and don't care to stop it so there isn't anything they can do. Nobody is interested in solving this problem sadly.

He obviously reported the stabbing threat but nothing has come of it because the person who owned the account was renting it could prove they weren't working and don't know who was.

Original post got deleted and I have no clue why as it wasn't offensive & just relayed facts. Typical MN.

BoredZelda · 16/07/2025 10:51

Elephantiner · 16/07/2025 10:21

I think we have a real issue between the professional middle classes and the more deprived areas of the UK.

The middle class areas are not where the immigrant communities are being housed. I don’t see any where I live. My park isn’t full of young men hanging around watching my kids. My daughters don’t get gawped at while going to school. My cousin is in a deprived area with loads of asylum seekers hanging around, harassing teenage girls, leering, arguing, playing music etc.

its easy for me to tell her that she should not complain about the migrants as they are good for the economy. I am not dancing the consequences. She is. The middle class set policies in this country but the working classes have a vote too. If their concerns aren’t listened to and addressed quickly a Reform government is all but guaranteed. It’s exactly the same situation as Brexit.

Actually, there are many working class areas where none of this is happening either. Data from the Brexit vote showed that immigration was one of the main reasons people voted for it. British born people living in low income multicultural areas were far less likely to vote for Brexit. By far the biggest group of people voting Brexit were from working class areas which had very low levels of immigration. I don’t think it is that this is what people are experiencing, necessarily, but that its what they are being told is happening elsewhere, often with little evidence to support the situation.

User135644 · 16/07/2025 10:51

BoredZelda · 16/07/2025 10:38

I cannot believe anyone actually thinks this would work.

First of all, if we have a million “immigrants” on benefits (not true but let’s go with it) How would kicking them out of the country help anyone get work, or at least work of any value? If the jobs they are doing are worth so little they need benefits, that would also be the case for any British born person taking the work, meaning little reduction in the benefits bill.

Secondly, let’s crunch the numbers. First you have to draw the line. Which immigrants are we sending home? There are currently around 11 million of them. Roughly a million of them are international students propping up our university sector with their massive fees. You want to keep them, right? Nearly 6 miillion of them are working. So sending home the 4 million who aren’t isn’t going to help your jobs issue. They are largely the women and children, so sure, let’s send them off and keep the men here, we know you guys like that sort of thing. 2 million of those working are in high skilled, high paying jobs. We want to keep those, right? Because Kevin in Newcastle with his 3 GCSEs isn’t going to replace Amrit the neurosurgeon. And these guys contribute a lot to the tax purse. I’m guessing you want to send home the 3 million with low and medium skilled jobs. The care workers, the cleaners, those in admin and hospitality. Yeah we can probably find people to do those jobs. Except. There are currently 1.64 million people unemployed and seeking work. That means even if we could get every single unemployed person in to one of those jobs (something that has never been done at any time as it is physically impossible) there is a shortfall. We could try and plug the gap with some of the 8 million economically inactive people. These are people who have chosen to retire early, or are disabled, or are SAHM, or caring for relatives. I can’t see any issue with forcing them in to work.

Last, what mechanism do you think a Reform government would have to “get the immigrants home”? If you want them to cancel people’s visas, or rescind citizenship, that’s a major issue with the fundamental rights of people enshrined in law. Do you trust any Government to wield that power. I’m sure you think it’d be ok if they only do it to immigrants, but can you be sure that would be where it would stop. Particularly with a government who is the furthest right we’d ever had, and untested party led by someone who has cosied up to some of the most dictatorial leaders of our time?

If that’s what you want, you go ahead and vote for Reform. Just cross your fingers that their “ Anti DEI” policies don’t affect you as a woman.

We shouldn't be removing people who are contributing. We should stop importing people for the sake of it to do jobs that can be done by people already here. Some of the skilled worker categories are ludicrous l.

Graduates can't even find work at the moment. Continuing to import people (unless on restricted categories that we have an urgent need or student visas to prop up the universities) is just senseless.

LakieLady · 16/07/2025 10:52

Kelticgold · 16/07/2025 10:28

Not just the extremely rich. Think about all the pensioners buying property all over Europe, effectively transferring wealth abroad.

Quite a few of my friends have done that before retiring. They're lucky enough to have work that they can do from anywhere.

Cloud987 · 16/07/2025 10:54

Beenaboutabit · 16/07/2025 04:59

But this is about immigrants on benefits.
Your point is about asylum seekers working illegally. Two completely different things

I was replying to a post saying that asylum seekers are living off £50 a week so they aren't a cost to the tax payer because they aren't entitled to benefits when they are an economic cost in other ways (hotels, sometimes food, lost tax revenue, etc)

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/07/2025 10:56

Cloud987 · 16/07/2025 10:54

I was replying to a post saying that asylum seekers are living off £50 a week so they aren't a cost to the tax payer because they aren't entitled to benefits when they are an economic cost in other ways (hotels, sometimes food, lost tax revenue, etc)

You don't agree in assisting people in need?

luckylavender · 16/07/2025 10:57

Areyouserioushuh · 16/07/2025 02:51

Nothing will change however I do feel that a lot of protests may start taking place, especially now its come to light about the leaked email regarding thousands of extra afghans being snuck in.

reform will struggle to do alot, we are pretty much screwed.

Afghans who fought for us?

LlttledrummergirI · 16/07/2025 10:58

Nothing more to contribute op?

How many are pensioners who have worked here for years and paid into the system?

Where's the breakdown in the figures.

Personally I think they should be going after the likes of Sunak who paid less in tax than s nurse.

SquallyShowersLater · 16/07/2025 10:58

Elephantiner · 16/07/2025 10:02

Euan set up his own company. Probably helped that his dad was PM but do you have knowledge of either of them:

a) doing anything corrupt, or
b) not paying their taxes?

Or are you just letting your envy show?

My point ENTIRELY was that going to a 'different school' from the rest of us ordinary folk doesn't mark you out as a Tory toff and being a socialist doesn't stop you from amassing more wealth than you will ever need and going to a state school doesn't necessarily mean you aren't enormously privileged and well connected.

Cruiser123 · 16/07/2025 10:59

BoredZelda · 16/07/2025 10:51

Actually, there are many working class areas where none of this is happening either. Data from the Brexit vote showed that immigration was one of the main reasons people voted for it. British born people living in low income multicultural areas were far less likely to vote for Brexit. By far the biggest group of people voting Brexit were from working class areas which had very low levels of immigration. I don’t think it is that this is what people are experiencing, necessarily, but that its what they are being told is happening elsewhere, often with little evidence to support the situation.

This is the same trend in the country where I'm from:

People tend to vote for right-wing parties in areas that have low immigration levels.

ShadowTheHedgehog · 16/07/2025 11:00

My neighbour is an immigrant and claims. She can hardly speak english. She's not disabled so she could easily get a job stacking shelves or WFH but just doesn't. So instead, our taxes are paying her rent. Not particularly relevant but she also doesn't send her kids to school but nothing gets done about it. If it were anyone else, they'd be facing prison

BackinGear · 16/07/2025 11:02

Which immigrants?

It doesn't make sense and is a headline designed to divide.

I worked with legal immigrants including the Syrian refugee programme. They had very limited access to public funds and a very low cap on support for rental.

Additionally, a British Pakistani staff member married a Pakistani lady. To come to this country once married, he needed to be earning and able to prove nearly £30,000 per year salary before his wife could join him here.

He upped his hours to maximise his earnings ( working 12 hours a day) and eventually he got permission for his wife to join him. She was a professionally qualified architect who took a job in the local biscuit factory, until she could plan and meet the requirements of her professional role.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/07/2025 11:04

ShadowTheHedgehog · 16/07/2025 11:00

My neighbour is an immigrant and claims. She can hardly speak english. She's not disabled so she could easily get a job stacking shelves or WFH but just doesn't. So instead, our taxes are paying her rent. Not particularly relevant but she also doesn't send her kids to school but nothing gets done about it. If it were anyone else, they'd be facing prison

If she can't speak English how do you know the ins and outs of her finances/health?

Isxmasoveryet · 16/07/2025 11:04

Instead of lapping up every word the local raghas said maybe go do some proper research and get some actual factual information and stop following the sheep because social media tells you to

lifeonmars100 · 16/07/2025 11:04

The Mail's calling card and modus operandi is one of stirring up hate and it has disturbing form for this. In January 1934, the Daily Mail published an article titled "Hurrah for the Blackshirts," which praised Oswald Mosley and the British Union of Fascists (BUF). This article, written by the paper's owner, Lord Rothermere, was a strong endorsement of British fascism and reflected Rothermere's personal admiration for both Hitler and Mussolini.

ShadowTheHedgehog · 16/07/2025 11:04

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/07/2025 11:04

If she can't speak English how do you know the ins and outs of her finances/health?

She speaks enough to get by. She's been here for years now. Has plenty of money to buy takeaway and alcohol every night.
ETA: I think I'm just projecting as well because she's been a nuisance neighbour ever since she came, fly tipping, loud music everyday, constant screaming and shouting, she tried to climb over our fence and get onto our side.

TwoFeralKids · 16/07/2025 11:05

ShadowTheHedgehog · 16/07/2025 11:00

My neighbour is an immigrant and claims. She can hardly speak english. She's not disabled so she could easily get a job stacking shelves or WFH but just doesn't. So instead, our taxes are paying her rent. Not particularly relevant but she also doesn't send her kids to school but nothing gets done about it. If it were anyone else, they'd be facing prison

I am sure both in a couple have to work in order to receive UC. If either stop working they lose their recourse to public funds.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/07/2025 11:06

ShadowTheHedgehog · 16/07/2025 11:04

She speaks enough to get by. She's been here for years now. Has plenty of money to buy takeaway and alcohol every night.
ETA: I think I'm just projecting as well because she's been a nuisance neighbour ever since she came, fly tipping, loud music everyday, constant screaming and shouting, she tried to climb over our fence and get onto our side.

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She can hardly speak english.

And she's told you all about her history, health, finances, immigration status?

TwoFeralKids · 16/07/2025 11:06

I do think the way people on here talk about those who claim some benefits (working or not) is disgraceful.

LakieLady · 16/07/2025 11:07

ShadowTheHedgehog · 16/07/2025 11:00

My neighbour is an immigrant and claims. She can hardly speak english. She's not disabled so she could easily get a job stacking shelves or WFH but just doesn't. So instead, our taxes are paying her rent. Not particularly relevant but she also doesn't send her kids to school but nothing gets done about it. If it were anyone else, they'd be facing prison

How does she manage to keep her benefits in payment if her English is so poor?

That must be really challenging. I work in welfare rights and I'm always having to simplify DWP stuff for clients who have English as their only language.

And even shelf-stackers need good enough English to understand what they're being asked to do, or not to do.

YourBrickTiger · 16/07/2025 11:08

I don't know about all the individual circumstances, with people escaping war zones etc...but it does make me angry. I am alone and really struggle financially. I mean badly - there are times I've had to borrow money for food. And I live in the UK and pay my taxes. It is upsetting. I wonder how the system makes the decision for immigrants.

randomusernamee · 16/07/2025 11:08

People seem to forget these main issues:

  • Multi-cultural integration on this scale doesn't work as we can all see by the country right now
  • The cost isn't just money per week, it's the associated benefits, freebies and mainly the subsidised cost of housing and bills
  • Cuts and higher taxes are being introduced across the board which have a trickle down effect
  • Crime rate statistics cannot be argued against they are a fact
  • There always seems to be no motivation to work harder with benefits to working people being removed, such as frozen tax bands, stamp duty discounts reduced, pension taxes increased, council tax costs up and then if you buy a new build property you are being housed around people who got it for free.

Frankly it's irritating that people aren't aware of how this will effect our economy and that it is almost irreversible, and people who come legally paying for visas such as my own mother now see others get it for free who have criminal records.

I also live in and around deprived areas which are unpleasant to even walk through for safety concerns ignoring the state of the streets themselves.

ShadowTheHedgehog · 16/07/2025 11:08

LakieLady · 16/07/2025 11:07

How does she manage to keep her benefits in payment if her English is so poor?

That must be really challenging. I work in welfare rights and I'm always having to simplify DWP stuff for clients who have English as their only language.

And even shelf-stackers need good enough English to understand what they're being asked to do, or not to do.

She gets neighbours that can speak english to fill out forms etc for her. She also asked me and my mom if we'd do it for her

BIossomtoes · 16/07/2025 11:09

YourBrickTiger · 16/07/2025 11:08

I don't know about all the individual circumstances, with people escaping war zones etc...but it does make me angry. I am alone and really struggle financially. I mean badly - there are times I've had to borrow money for food. And I live in the UK and pay my taxes. It is upsetting. I wonder how the system makes the decision for immigrants.

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Elephantiner · 16/07/2025 11:11

ShadowTheHedgehog · 16/07/2025 11:00

My neighbour is an immigrant and claims. She can hardly speak english. She's not disabled so she could easily get a job stacking shelves or WFH but just doesn't. So instead, our taxes are paying her rent. Not particularly relevant but she also doesn't send her kids to school but nothing gets done about it. If it were anyone else, they'd be facing prison

On what basis is she receiving money? Is she looking for work? Is she disabled? Is she a carer? Call me naive but I thought there had to be some basis to a UC claim.

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