One million immigrants claiming benefits

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Just been reading the comments sections of the Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail articles about the one million foreigners claiming benefits in the UK. It feels like the final nail in the coffin and a lot of people will feel even more justified in expressing their anger and hate towards immigrants. What happens when Reform win the next general election and come into power? Will people be rounded up en masse and put in detention centres like the USA?

I find it so surprising how many people easily fall for the shit stirring from rags like that.

I mean, there are people currently frothing on Twitter about the Daily Mail heading about the massive increase in people claiming UC with no work obligation since Covid.

So that would be an increase in people with no work commitment since the mass transfer of sick and disabled people on ESA to Uc then... The entirely expected and predictable outcome of the transfer of people on old style esa to UC

Totally disingenuous reporting. Outright shit stirring at the highest level.

She's not physically disabled at least. She hasn't worked since she's lived here. I can only imagine it's because she has 3 kids and is a single parent

UC is more about the amount earned than the hours. A couple without children or significant health issues would be required to earn 60 x NMW hourly rate and would have work search requirements if they didn't.

If they have children, the "administrative earnings threshold" varies according to the age of the youngest child.

Exactly. People leaving the country (I'm one of them) will be appropriately taxed either in the country they leave or the country they move to (in my case, haven't decided which yet). There is no tax loophole if you are honest. I fully intend to pay tax as per all requirements, as my dh has whilst he's been here. I am transferring my spending power to another country because I am sick to death of having paid so much tax and seeing so little in return. I don't blame immigrants, I blame mismanagement and potentially people who are without good reason (disability, etc.) not wealth generators of which there are far too many, but that's a wider topic to debate.

I know that. I meant for example EU immigrants. You have to be working to be able to claim any UC.

The UK stressing about immigration will always shock me. This UK? Ha! The audacity

One of the most middle class areas (Epping) is currently having problems because migrants are being housed in the hotel at the edge of town among some beautiful detached houses.
There are problems and have been some incidents but probably no more than in anywhere there are a large group of single men together (some army towns, football matches etc).
The government needs/needed to take get off it's arse and recruit more staff to sort out migrants either so they can work and remain or to return to the safe country they came from.

Yes, the one million figure is for foreign born people. Many of whom are actually British Citizens (thanks to our wonderful colonial history)

so that will include my DH. Born in Cyprus to British parents (FIL was military and DH should have been born in the military hospital, but wasn't).

I wonder how many others like him are included in the million...

Only if she has a child under three, otherwise she’s expected to work.

She's been here for years apparently. Surely her children are at least teens.

... then if you buy a new build property you are being housed around people who got it for free.

If living next to people who got something "for free" offends you so much @randomusernamee , you can always sell your new build property and move somewhere that's entirely privately owned.

You need to be careful though, you might end up next door to a BTL property which could be rented out to people who get it "for free". Or people like my neighbours, who own their house despite the bloke never having done a day's work in all the 31 years I've lived here and his wife only ever having worked part-time until very recently.

where I live, I get to feel all liberal and caring because it’s all pretty white, pretty well-off, pretty “olde-English”.

when I visit friends in Luton, Bradford, Newcastle, I find my easy liberalism gets very very challenged indeed.

ones experience of “others” “coming here and …” depends so much on where in the UK you yourself live, imo.

also. A (legal migrant) has just got her British citizenship. And now needs to find £2,000 to pay for all the papers to put that into action. I had no fucking idea. She can’t afford that!

Yes the expat geriatrics comeback when they realise the healthcare in Spain is not what they want. The medical care is good but personal care is often done by families.

Do you mean white British people? Please have a walk around the towns of Greater Manchester.

Haven't RTFT but one million? Pah.
There's 60million people in the UK, so one in 60 people is an immigrant claiming benefits?

Big deal.

Actually, just checked, there's 68 million people in the UK. So one in 68 people is an immigrant claiming benefits.
You line up 68 random people - 68 - that's probably a double decker bus load at full capacity, and just one of those people is an immigrant claiming benefits.
Meh.
And how many of these "immigrants claiming benefits" are claiming in work benefits? How many are disabled?
I really can't get worked up about it.

Where do you draw your definition of over populated from? The actual definition relates to environment rather than society. But if you want to draw a line between services and service users, then surely that can’t be the case either, otherwise areas with lower populations, and more specifically to your point, lower immigration would therefore have better services. To use the North East of England as an example, an area of the U.K. with the lowest immigration, service provision for education and health care isn’t any better here than in, any other area of the U.K. In fact, the one of the worst performing areas of the U.K. for education is the North East of England. When it comes to Healthcare, Sunderland has seen a 51% increase in waits of 28 days or more to see a GP. The North East over all ranks highest for excessive waiting times for a GP appointment. Conversely, all areas of London top the charts for the shortest waiting times with nearly 80% of people being able to get an appointment in a week in North Central London, which has one of the highest levels of immigration in the U.K.,(the figure is 65% in the North East).

Population has no bearing on the quality of services in the U.K. The issue is with successive government spending in these service areas.

I commented earlier but just realised the "immigrants" would include my son as he was born overseas. He doesn't claim benefits (he's a child) and neither do I but it's kind of crazy to realise that he is probably contributing to the scary stats about people from an immigrant background
My family in the UK goes back to before 1066 (though I do have Dutch blood too), I have gladly paid bucket loads of tax into the UK. I never thought of my UK passport holding son as anything other than English/British and I doubt he has either. Yet in the scary stats released he would be considered an immigrant. It's misleading.

Indeed. Many of the ones living in a wealthy area near me love the mult cultural area I live in but I doubt they would live there. I can't wait for us to move. It is a shit hole.

Newcastle has one of the lowest immigration rates in the U.K. It is 90% white.

Her youngest is 9 middle child is 13/14 and oldest is 17

I quoted someone else answering this but her youngest is 9, middle child 13/14 and oldest 17

Alright, Goady McGoad Face 🙄

Not all disabilities are visible.

This is exactly right. The problem is not where people come from, it's how much they contribute to the economy and we have too many being unproductive or in jobs but insufficiently productive and this has certainly got worse in recent years. There is a weak link in that psychologically, some people probably think to themselves that if others are on the take, why shouldn't they be too - it is contagious amongst people who are inherently lazy good for nothings. But mostly, we generate insufficient wealth and too many people are sitting round doing bog all.

Then it’s not because she’s a single parent. What a shame, you’ll have to start wracking your brains again.