One million immigrants claiming benefits

[AnxiousApocalypse]

Just been reading the comments sections of the Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail articles about the one million foreigners claiming benefits in the UK. It feels like the final nail in the coffin and a lot of people will feel even more justified in expressing their anger and hate towards immigrants. What happens when Reform win the next general election and come into power? Will people be rounded up en masse and put in detention centres like the USA?

If you look at the numbers most of this is EU migration and from when they got settled status.

I don't remember us invading Romania and rest of Eastern Europe.

Our self loathing suicidal empathetic guilt can't be attributed to every self-inflicted shit we have to deal with.

@SixtySomething

There’s something called google search. It’s quite straightforward to use.

I’ve linked a BBC article.

Not just the extremely rich. Think about all the pensioners buying property all over Europe, effectively transferring wealth abroad.

Have you got a credible source for that figure of "Millions of elderly immigrants who have contributed nothing to the economy"?

We'll wait.

Hopefully 🤞🏼

We are immigrants and earn about 85000 pounds between us for our work.

We receive child benefit.

Are we included in this figure?

The country simply won't survive 4 more years of this anyway.

Like who? Name names?

They’re still paying tax in the UK because that’s where their income originates. The mass geriatric move to Spain seems to be reversing since Brexit.

Oh I think it will. It’s survived far worse.

What is an "immigrant" and a "foreigner"? Are they the same thing? Does it just mean someone not born in the UK? If so, Prince Philip was a foreigner and an immigrant.

The figures are universal credit. Some in work and most not.

Who? Who the hell does this? A lot of countries don’t allow people who aren’t citizens to buy land and if you are a UK citizen you are taxed on your worldwide income so it’s illegal not to declare your overseas income. If you know someone doing this grass them up to HMRC.

An actual default no I think for reasons given earlier. A technical default, much harder to say to be honest, not least because we might argue about what actually constitutes a technical default.

In economics pressure tends to build over a long timescale and no one ever thinks anything is ever going to happen then events unfold faster that people ever think possible. A bit like volcanic eruptions. Normally there is some sort of trigger event that sets the whole stampede off.

On the other hand there is the possibility that the government(s) might manage to tightrope their way out of it, which would be helped if some calamity kicks off somewhere else in the world to distract everyone. There's a lot of stuff going on at the moment, I think more attention is being paid to the US and it's somewhat unpredictable president. That is keeping peoples hands full and probably distracting them from the UK situation.

I think if you asked a lot of people in the know whether betting the farm on the UK working it's way out of the current situation without some calamity kicking off (calamity for example could be defined as a Reform government) then they would probably say that would be unwise. Predicting the exact timing of that calamity is much more difficult.

Yes.
Asylum seekers seeker are not eligible for benefits and not included in this figure.
would be better if the article defined immigrants but nobody would take notice of that bit if it did.
Just Click bait and it worked

It’s crazy. I want to know how so many people are bringing their relatives over. So I can advise my patients as to how to do this…

This is a good website for some calm factual stats and interpretation about migration. it’s an Oxford University project. The page linked is specifically about small boats :
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/people-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/

So:
It’s mostly men because men are more likely to be targeted as political targets under dangerous regimes ( did anyone see the BBC documentary about the horrific imprisonment and torture of a million people under Assad?)

Men will tend to come first and then have family join under family reunification. For cost and safety reasons.

The vast majority of Albanian men are sent back or return under the scheme

As for benefits: economic migrants want work! We have a labour shortage in sectors that many UK nationals swerve. Or refuse because our UK nationals are better off on benefits (on the short term). I see this on MN on a daily basis.

Rather than leaving people languishing with no right to work let’s give them jobs. Tax-paying , economy boosting JOBS.

And as for Afghans being ‘snuck in’ - FFS, they were rescued from execution having been put at risk by the MOD. 900 or more are still there, in peril.

Immigration is not the problem. Our management of it, and of our wider society and economy, is.

All approved? Got a source for that, please?

I cannot believe anyone actually thinks this would work.

First of all, if we have a million “immigrants” on benefits (not true but let’s go with it) How would kicking them out of the country help anyone get work, or at least work of any value? If the jobs they are doing are worth so little they need benefits, that would also be the case for any British born person taking the work, meaning little reduction in the benefits bill.

Secondly, let’s crunch the numbers. First you have to draw the line. Which immigrants are we sending home? There are currently around 11 million of them. Roughly a million of them are international students propping up our university sector with their massive fees. You want to keep them, right? Nearly 6 miillion of them are working. So sending home the 4 million who aren’t isn’t going to help your jobs issue. They are largely the women and children, so sure, let’s send them off and keep the men here, we know you guys like that sort of thing. 2 million of those working are in high skilled, high paying jobs. We want to keep those, right? Because Kevin in Newcastle with his 3 GCSEs isn’t going to replace Amrit the neurosurgeon. And these guys contribute a lot to the tax purse. I’m guessing you want to send home the 3 million with low and medium skilled jobs. The care workers, the cleaners, those in admin and hospitality. Yeah we can probably find people to do those jobs. Except. There are currently 1.64 million people unemployed and seeking work. That means even if we could get every single unemployed person in to one of those jobs (something that has never been done at any time as it is physically impossible) there is a shortfall. We could try and plug the gap with some of the 8 million economically inactive people. These are people who have chosen to retire early, or are disabled, or are SAHM, or caring for relatives. I can’t see any issue with forcing them in to work.

Last, what mechanism do you think a Reform government would have to “get the immigrants home”? If you want them to cancel people’s visas, or rescind citizenship, that’s a major issue with the fundamental rights of people enshrined in law. Do you trust any Government to wield that power. I’m sure you think it’d be ok if they only do it to immigrants, but can you be sure that would be where it would stop. Particularly with a government who is the furthest right we’d ever had, and untested party led by someone who has cosied up to some of the most dictatorial leaders of our time?

If that’s what you want, you go ahead and vote for Reform. Just cross your fingers that their “ Anti DEI” policies don’t affect you as a woman.

@User135644

No - poverty there is as a result of communism and Russia exerting their power.

If the countries holding the power globally keep exploiting other countries, what’s going to happen??

Don't bring facts in here, the frothing racists won't like it

You can’t be that clueless about world around you.

Yes, the one million figure is for foreign born people. Many of whom are actually British Citizens (thanks to our wonderful colonial history)

@User135644

Unless you think the answer is to keep
exploiting, keep creating poverty, keep creating conflict and displacement.

In which case you could create a ‘camp’ where you can just ring fence off all these global foreigners who annoy you. And then what do we do when that all gets a bit much??
So long as we - the fittest - survive!
Now where have I heard something like that happening in the past….

No, the figures are for UC.