One million immigrants claiming benefits

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Just been reading the comments sections of the Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail articles about the one million foreigners claiming benefits in the UK. It feels like the final nail in the coffin and a lot of people will feel even more justified in expressing their anger and hate towards immigrants. What happens when Reform win the next general election and come into power? Will people be rounded up en masse and put in detention centres like the USA?

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I miss the days when trolls showed some degree of wit and were actually amusing, rather than just transparent and point-and-laugh stupid

YES! RE: wealth hoarding

I was saying to my husband last night a decade ago I had no concept HOW damaging globalisation and capitalism are.

The wealth accumulated and horded and the structural damage to society in various forms (Thames water & friends dumping pollutants, amazon destroying the environment, social media, 2% of all global electricity being used on AI blah blah blah) all so some fucker can add another billion to his existing £800bn

Yes the problem is current and previous UK governments. They have ignored things for years to allow the UK to get into a mess.

What the actual hell. We don't just have an aging population, we also have thousands of people who cannot get a job, be it unskilled minimum wage one or professionals, after university. The job market and the application process is a joke due to the sheer number of applicants. Young graduates are vastly unemployed. We certainly do not need migrants for the jobs. And now, migrants do not all go straight into the under-staffed care centre, they take all kinds of positions - otherwise the care sector would not still be understaffed, despite the extensive targeted visa programme specifically for that sector

You want to increase taxes on the most globally mobile people in the world who are already courted by multiple countries hoping that they will move there?

That will end really well! Oh whoops the current measures are already seeing more millionaires leaving the country than anywhere else in the world and tax from these people will be less than before Labour started its tax attacks on them.

Given that increasing taxes on the wealthy is already reducing the amount of tax received maybe it's worth you reconsidering your views?

By the way the top1% pay 29% of income tax, top 5% pay 50% of income tax and top 25% pay 75% of income tax.

When you have scared away the top 1% that is a lot more tax for people at the bottom to pay.

And they are actively created that way because their wages are kept low. It's not their failing. Creating a group of people who are the backbone of society but 'aren't net contributors' is not their own doing. Yet when they do things like strike for higher wages they're still the bad guys.

That implies British people are stupid. No one is being 'played'.

It doesn't matter what passport you hold - the 1 million immigrants claiming benefits is based on place of birth data. So regardless of the fact my DD and your DH hold British passports and consider themselves British, according to the published ONS stats they are immigrants because they were born overseas. This kind of nuance is lost in these very divisive arguments.

We are stupid. @Morningsleepin is absolutely right.

Focusing on wealthy people will drive them out of the UK. They have choices that poor people don't.

Nonsense. The data are in the public domain for anyone to look up for themselves.

Perhaps the pp is willing to fill the gap in taxes.

There's nothing to say the people claiming benefits aren't "legal immigrants" or rather people who came over regularly.

Asylum seekers whose claims are being processed. They can't work and can't receive regular benefits but do receive a weekly payment (10 pounds of in a hotel) to buy bare min essentials. Its not what most people think when they think of benefits but it is public funds I guess.

Immigrants like your husband came over on a spousal visa. The expectation when he applied was that you would be able to support him..that's why there is an income threshold..it might be unfair/discrimination but those rules were put in place because.of previous public anger/newspaper rabble rousing about immigrants on benefits. But that's why there is a no recourse to public funds on his documents. You and him both signed to say you were able to support him if needed.

Immigrants who have worked in the UK for a set period of time are allowed to claim what people think of as benefits -PIP etc. but the rules were tightened massively in recent years precisely because of public dissatisfaction.

Immigrants on the EU resettlement programme cam also claim public funds. This is a reciprocal agreement post Brexit were UK people who had made lives in the EU and EU people in UK were allowed to stay after. The UK is much stingier/awkward than most EU standards in this area

So let them? If they're not paying their way or sharing the burden in same way lower income people do then they're no real loss are they? They don't spend their money, they hoard it, let them hoard it somewhere else.

For now is one million. Just add to the hundreds more coming everyday. It is an issue and if Labour do not sort it then that may well be the case.

What do you think is the solution?

It the interpretation that’s stupid and failure to fit it into the bigger picture.

They clearly are when the only issue they're concerned with is 'illegals'. Not pot holes, crumbling schools, the NHS, wage stagnation, housing crisis, care, food banks, childcare costs, utility costs, child poverty or anything else at all.

Good luck with that. The tax burden will be yours at some point.

A population that is terrified of asking wealthy people to pay their way but also freaks out at the prospect of people who actually spend their money in their local economies having any money in their pocket to do so to me is by definition stupidity. The last 15 years of the UK has been utter, utter stupidity at every turn.

It's already the burden of the people at the bottom. Massively, disproportionately burdensome.

May I correct you on two points.

Not "we have exploited" but "we exploit".
Not "we have killed" but "we kill"

Both are continuing

It is already. Tax is for the little people.

Are you still salty about not knowing what you are talking about.

A friend of mine works in a care home. The management cannot recruit and retain enough UK nationals to staff it, and they are heavily reliant on agency staff from south Asia.

If the management were to pay staff more than a few pence per hour above NMW, they might find it easier to recruit UK nationals to work there, but they won't. However, they end up paying the agency almost £5 per hour above NMW for the staff the agency supplies.

Are you? A trillion? 20% inflation?