One million immigrants claiming benefits

[AnxiousApocalypse]

Just been reading the comments sections of the Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail articles about the one million foreigners claiming benefits in the UK. It feels like the final nail in the coffin and a lot of people will feel even more justified in expressing their anger and hate towards immigrants. What happens when Reform win the next general election and come into power? Will people be rounded up en masse and put in detention centres like the USA?

Please show evidence for this supposed net economic benefit.
You're comparing the very real issues of WW2 immigration with the hordes of mostly Middle Eastern, mostly young, male, asylum seekers coming here (you mentioned them) and sexual attacks against women and girls has leapt in our town since 3 very large hotels have been booked up with ‘irregular arrivals’. Two of them followed my daughter home, and they have been reported for hanging around the school fields watching the children and asking girls of primary school age ‘if they would like to be my girlfriend’
We have enough home grown paedophiles and rapists without importing more.
Don't be so fucking stupid that you can’t see that the country is too small to accommodate such culturally different views on such a scale and that most of these people who ‘have run from torture, persecution, terrifying threats to their lives and their children's lives’ are not genuine.
Our grandparents would be turning in their graves to know we are allowing invasion without a single shot being fired.
Truly. It makes their sacrifice meaningless.

Sadly, facts are irrelevant in these arguments. It's all about how people feel. And their feelings are being manipulated by social media in particular.

So not for 'those with the broadest shoulders' as the Labour party is constantly bleating about?

Please show evidence for this supposed net economic benefit.

OBR forecasts have generally estimated that higher net migration leads to lower deficits and debt, although not enough to fundamentally change the UK’s fiscal outlook. In 2023, for example, it projected that by 2072/73 the primary budget deficit (i.e. excluding interest payments on debt) would be 1.1% of GDP lower in a scenario where annual net migration was 245,000 rather than 129,000. It projected that higher net migration would reduce debt as a share of GDP by 30 percentage points by 2072/73, but would not prevent debt from rising from around 100 to 300 percent of GDP. One of the key drivers behind this result is that incoming migrants are more likely to be of working age than the population in general and therefore are more likely to be working and contributing to public finances.

Here you go @usedtobeaylis

Drive people away as you want and you and others will be picking up the tab. More than you feel you do now.

Labour will likely increase taxes again in Autumn after pledging not to after last budget.

Broader shoulders for them is who earns £80k a year. Which for a family of 4 on London is a struggle after taxes and cost of living.

The broadest shoulders are highly adept at evading it as you say yourself.

Anyone would think you were a frothing bigot.

@AnxiousApocalypse 83.6% of those claiming benefits are British and Irish nationals.

If this is about the benefits bill, perhaps change your post to 7 million British and Irish claiming benefits? Cos that will be a bigger bill than 1 million.

Also about 700 of the 1 million are EU nationals. Are there the ones you are seeing in the park loitering? How do you tell just but seeing them in the park that they are foreign and on benefits?

But they are still getting some benefit even at the figure you state. Also they are not paying for the hotel so that is a benefit in kind.
The total cost is untenable.

The broadest shoulders pay as follows

Top 1% - 29% of income tax
Top 5% - 50% of income tax
Top 25 - 75% of income tax

What was it you were saying about the broadest shoulders?

83.6% of people receiving UC were British and Irish nationals.

Only around 1.5% of claimants were refugees and 0.7% had arrived in the UK via safe routes such as those for Ukrainians and Afghans.

Not paying their way or sharing the burden?

They are leaving because the burden is excessively on them.

Exactly this. I listened to a report on this on R4 yesterday and they said exactly what you have just laid out.

People hear foreign national and automatically leap to 'illegal immigrant' or migrant.

NO. Europeans who came here prior to Brexit.

Also our shit minimum wage culture.

Yes, you already said that. The broadest shoulders employ an army of tax lawyers and accountants to ensure they pay token amounts of tax. If any government really wanted to maximise the tax take it would employ a few members of that army to close the loopholes their clients are exploiting.

I'm an immigrant and I claim benefits. Disability ones!

I'm normally a bit ashamed of this but today I feel proud that I've given so many nasty idiots increased blood pressure for the day.

I've probably paid more tax than them and have more years of national insurance contributions too.

I'm always amazed when I tell people irl that I'm an immigrant and they say 'well, obviously I don't mean people like you'.
Still, at least it shows me what rascist gobshites they are.

Reform voters are out in force today. Lowest common denominator.

Hush now. You can’t talk sense here - posters want any excuse to hate foreigners and blame them for causing all problems in society.

You have to ask yourself how a country ends up in a situation whereby it seemingly can't pay its own citizens a living wage, and therefore essential services would be rendered undeliverable at a stroke without the mass importation of foreign labour.

It is not as straightforward as a simple labour shortage. This is about a deliberate choice to deregulate and turn everything over to profit-driven venture, meaning the services are run for the benefit of shareholders and dividends, and not the people reliant upon them. It's where you inevitably end up with the nonsense of Thatcher's "trickle down" neolib ideology which turns everything into a race to the bottom. "Trickle down" is a myth, it actually works in a bizarre reverse "funnel upwards" manner.

It's a choice to pay pittance wages, but one dictated by competition. The idea that this was going to benefit the "consumer" is and always was complete tosh. Every single industry that has been deregulated and turned over to the private sector since the 80s has spiralled into a dysfunctional, omnishambolic clusterfuck. Trains, Utilities, Water. Telecoms doesn't exist as in once did, but their successor industries, ISP's and mobile providers, are hardly known for value products and great consumer services. Yet despite what is clearly an entirely failed endeavour, some muppets with zips up the back of their heads evidently believe part of the solution to this disaster is to hand the NHS over to Farage and his bunch of charlatans so they can do the same to health provision.

Right wing parties try to provide simple answers to complex problems to become populist.we are looking at post Covid, post Brexit, years of Tory poor governance on top of wars and general turbulence in the world, it's all far more nuanced. A good way to start would be taxing the rich and going after the likes of Amazon, Google, Starbucks to raise revenue

It’s not hard to see what happens if you drive out the top part of that. Well it shouldn’t be.

Maybe you could charge Rachel Reeves a consultancy fee to come up with ideas since she's failed to come up with a single credible one.

The real issue is the pot is empty, so decisions are being made and money spent, not forecast or budgeted for. So Afghans or EHCPs, FE or UC, PIP or Pensions. We are broke, so tax is next on the hit list and sadly not taxing the rich but the masses. When people struggle, see what is under threat, they look to blame someone, somewhere and anger builds, we are heading for a showdown and government (both Labour for not revoking the injunction and Conservative for issuing initially) are really unprepared for what next.

So a two year old guess rather than what is actually happening.

And a guess by an organization which has not got a single guess correct since it was created.

This would help the economy