One million immigrants claiming benefits

[AnxiousApocalypse]

Just been reading the comments sections of the Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail articles about the one million foreigners claiming benefits in the UK. It feels like the final nail in the coffin and a lot of people will feel even more justified in expressing their anger and hate towards immigrants. What happens when Reform win the next general election and come into power? Will people be rounded up en masse and put in detention centres like the USA?

Google it, it’s not hard. But since you are struggling, it anyone earning over £41k a year.

Anyone earning less than that is being paid for by others, benefits or no benefits.

And when you add 3,4,5 kids into the mix, an unemployed spouse who will need work as is the case with many immigrants and elderly relatives, they’d have to be on a six figure salary to pay for them all.

Also asylum seekers can work if the job is on the occupation shortage list. Asylum seekers should be able to work instead of receiving a stupid plastic card that again benefits the aforementioned retailers.

Immigrants are desperate people - but why -mainly because their countries are poor,corrupt and dangerous for some. Why is that, poor leaders, unsafe for foreign investors. So the answer is move everyone from a bad country to ours where there is some justice and unarmed police - but once they all get here and find they aren’t going to get a decent job, house - surely the risk is this country becomes more corrupt as they are back to the problems they left.

Hallelujah to that.

Let’s be careful about scapegoating and generalising.

A German twat with a moustache did this and it ended up with a war and gas chambers.

Asylum seekers can’t claim mainstream benefits until they have been given leave to remain, and even then there is a limit to what can be claimed. And it’s worth mentioning that if OP is hoping this will lead to frothing about the benefits budget in general, she should have done her research before posting because support for asylum seekers comes from the Home Office budget, not welfare.

So purely income based then? So nurses not a net contributor, binmen, delivery drivers, care workers.

Contribution to society is way more than about the tax you pay

And a country that was razed to the ground.

I agree! Unfortunately they target people’s insecurities and like Trump supporters they tend to be not as educated!

However, like with Trump much of what they say is being debunked and I think by the next election people will understand that much of what they say they will do like raise personal allowances cannot happen without cost to average earners! When do politicians hit high earners? They never do as it includes them and their party donors!

''@Jennps · Today 07:58
No there are no other ways.
In the leftie, unicorns and fairies world, platitudes and hyperbole are sufficient o pay for a functioning country. But in the real world, only cold hard cash pays for stuff.
If you are not a net contributor, then other people are paying for you to live for free. We have plenty of those in this country already. We don’t need to bring in more to add to the burden.''

Nonsense.

Covid and the lock downs showed that ultimately societies don't need another banker or hedge fund manager...

The contribution to society of people on low wages like cleaners, delivery drivers, retail workers, carers, teaching assistant, supermarket workers who keep the food supply going and so on is more than just about them being 'net contributors' or not.

Without them everything would collapse and there would be no 'functioning country'.

It doesn't surprise me in the least.

Overall, more than 20% of the working age population in the UK is claiming benefits of some sort. When a country needs to import workers to work in essential but low-paid work like social care, those workers are bound to need top-up benefits in order to afford the UK's high rents and high cost of living.

A quarter of non-EU migrants are working in health and social care, so we'd be a bit fucked if they all went back home. Iirc, hospitality was the next biggest sector for employing migrant workers.

It's clear you genuinely don't understand.

Seeking asylum is not illegal - see the Refugee Convention.

We don't have enough detention space and the government don't like using it due to previous human rights abuses.

It's illegal to send people back to a country where they could be persecuted so they need to be processed first. Second, you need permission to send someone back.

The stipend asylum seekers receive is very small and they can't work, therefore some will work illegally. Many mothers can't afford to feed their children.

I actually suspect the numbers will be higher than 1 million tbh.

Are you okay?

I completely understand.

Arriving in a small boat is illegal. Then once they proved they had a proper case and who they are they are released.

We could easily increase the amount of detention space.

It’s all the ‘what-aboutery’ that makes this country an easy target. If we did this there would immediately be less people arriving.

People do work illegally - that is absolute fact.

Most of the migrants receiving the benefits are EU nationals, comprising 770,379 of the claims.

From The Telegraph. https://archive.ph/7Btzi

The country would be a far better place if people stopped reading and believing what these rags say. They are trying, and succeeding, in stirring up hate and diverting our ire where they want it. Immigration isn’t the source of our “woes”, and pray god, that Nigel Farage vanishes off the face of the earth before the next election, if the electorate don’t start waking up first.

The biggest nonsense here, is this "argument" presupposes that the sole source of government income is personal tax, therefore anyone earning under 41k is simply living out of the pocket of those who earn more.

Even more ridiculous is the implication the UK would be better of if it just dispensed with immigrants who earn sub 41k. Sure, do that, and watch the entire Care sector and the NHS cease to function overnight.

Actually no, it’s one million “foreign born”. Boris Johnson falls into that category.

We might ask ourselves why that part of the population is over represented in the poverty statistics? Most of them are on “in work” benefits, so it isn’t an unwillingness to work.

But is also puts paid to the lie they are coming here to steal our jobs.

Your life/that of your family isn’t “getting worse to make someone else’s life better”. Britain has a large number of immigrants because they are an economic necessity given the way our economy is set up. That is why net immigration rose sharply after Brexit and is still, above pre Brexit levels. If all those immigrants left tomorrow your life/family’s life a few years down the line would likely be worse not better.

Shockingly your family’s finances in the world’s 5th biggest economy aren’t being dictated by several thousand poor people in dinghys.

I will ask this yet again on one of these threads. What is the safe, legal route for someone to claim asylum in the U.K.?

Dont know which planet you live on. But on earth, it’s money that is used to pay for stuff. People running and working in public services ask for a salary at the end of the month, they can’t go to the supermarket and pay for their weekly shop with a platitude that they provided free services to a non net contributing migrant workers.

Arriving in a small boat is illegal

nope

Yes. UK nationals are well known for doing that.