One million immigrants claiming benefits

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Just been reading the comments sections of the Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail articles about the one million foreigners claiming benefits in the UK. It feels like the final nail in the coffin and a lot of people will feel even more justified in expressing their anger and hate towards immigrants. What happens when Reform win the next general election and come into power? Will people be rounded up en masse and put in detention centres like the USA?

There are more ways to contribute than being a ‘net contributor’

I would hardly argue that someone who works in care on minimum wage is ‘contributing nothing’.

MIL is resident in a care home. At least half the hands-on care staff, and almost every single one of the auxiliary support staff, is male, and either an African or Asian immigrant.

A pity the Labour govt seem to be oblivious to all this

I'd love to see the information on the impending default.

See, you are conflating legal immigrants and asylum seekers. Not all of us are desperate and poorly paid. Some of us are highly qualified. We are here because we speak English and enjoy the UK. Up until now.

See figures in attached images. Only had 200 000 didn’t have settled status or indefinite leave to remain.

Of course, you’re correct. I meant most of the immigrants coming in currently who are on benefits. I believe a lot of them are from Afghanistan.
I realise there are immigrants who come to work and a lot of them are professionals. They still come because they are assuming their lives will be better here.

Will people be rounded up en masse and put in detention centres like the USA?

What do you mean by 'people'? If you mean foreigners in general, or foreigners who are claiming benefits legally as per the law at the time they started claiming them, then no, of course not. And that hasn't happened in the US either.

If you mean illegal immigrants then possibly, yes. And?

People who knowingly commit illegal acts do tend to get rounded up and put in detention centres. What else do you recommend as a viable solution and an effective deterrent to millions of economic migrants and visa over-stayers deliberately and cynically flouting our immigration and border control laws without genuine or sufficient grounds for asylum?

We are on the brink of an existential crisis in terms of life in the UK as we know it. We cannot be seen to be a soft touch or an easy option any longer. The more we tolerate, the less we react in any meaningful way, the more will come and keep on coming in their millions. No-one can blame them, they see a chance to improve their lot financially and they take it. But it's at a direct cost to us and it's not sustainable without taking a massive, massive hit on every aspect of our standard of living, our environment, our culture and the fabric of our society. It will be, no, actually it already has been hugely damaging and completely irreversible. We've reached a tipping point where the UK can never again expect to improve on the standard of living we've enjoyed in the past. The days of moving forward as a nation and of anything about life in the UK getting better in any respect are finished. The very best we can hope for now is to manage exactly how bad we allow things to get and how far backwards we allow ourselves to fall.

Well, the daily mail isn't exactly known for its balanced reporting so can't blindly believe what it reports.

But it's increasing clear one can't have a conversation or discuss rationally without being called fascist, reformist, racist, hater, traitor. Issues can't be outlined without derailing and being jeered at, and this is just on here. Irl is even more difficult.

Not everyone in Britain years ago was a wealthy landowner. Majority were most certainly not.

Even now, the ordinary people are paying and living hand to mouth for the past historical sins of the rich, whom squirrel their money away overseas and don't share? The same influential people who helped create the NHS etc. It's all very confusing sometimes.

I would like to hear the opinion of people left behind, why they don't stay in the first country they come to, why they don't stay and make their own country work. I guess because they want life better right now, which I completely understand as so do I.

Unfortunately, my life and that of my family is suffering, cost of living, schools overcrowded, violence, culture shifts, nhs broken, woe betide needing an NHS dentist anytime, and will get worse to make someone else's life better?

And what about the coluders and collaborators in these countries back then? Are their Nowaday families handing over wealth and being shamed?

Sorry! I shouldn’t post before I’ve had coffee. See my post below where I’m really referencing the immigrants on benefits.

We have never claimed benefits, but but wouldn’t bother me if we were ineligible based on my husband being an immigrant. It’s a privilege to be able to live in another country and then acquire their passport. If you need financial support it’s not unreasonable for your host counts to expect you to go home.

Canada used to be hot on this. My grandparents lived there when my dad was growing up. After my granny’s father died they applied for her mother to move to Canada to be with them, as she was all by herself. Canada said no - an older lady presented a risk of financial burden on the state because, although she had a widow’s pension, she’d likely need healthcare as she aged. She was only 59! She lived a healthy life for another 20 years and then died of a stroke without ever being a financial burden. Consequently, my grandparents moved their family back to the U.K. to be closer to her. They never complained or felt entitled to access services set up for Canadians.

I’m not sure sure! Once they screw up the councils over the next 4 years, most will realise they are a one trick party! Here in Kent they were voted in as so many thought as county councillors they had control over the boats landing in Kent 🤦‍♀️
So far all they have done in Kent is cancel the majority of the council meetings, decided that only UK flags can hang in council chambers! The real issues like the 750 million deficit and how they plan to tackle it has not even been mentioned. If they were to win the GE nothing would get through Parliament as Nasty Nige would never be there! Reform are the party of high taxation and insurance based healthcare!

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We are on the brink of an existential crisis in terms of life in the UK as we know it.

Can you explain why?

No there are no other ways.

In the leftie, unicorns and fairies world, platitudes and hyperbole are sufficient o pay for a functioning country. But in the real world, only cold hard cash pays for stuff.

If you are not a net contributor, then other people are paying for you to live for free. We have plenty of those in this country already. We don’t need to bring in more to add to the burden.

The cynical side of me thinks that they want to fail, and then try to put the blame on the government when it comes to the general election.

Let's face it, their propaganda and social media manipulation is top notch. It's hard to counter so many lies and so much dishonesty. Especially when they are targeting people who have been left behind, the poorly educated, and those who distrust government already. Those who "do their own research".

She is not a naturalised citizen she is British by descent - these are different things. If your DH is naturalised his parents must have been born somewhere outside of the UK. I am a naturalised citizen of NZ as I lived there long enough to qualify. On any NZ stats I would be classed as a migrant even though I hold a passport and a certificate of citizenship. My DD is classed as a migrant if place of birth is used as the identifier which it frequently is in migration stats. Just as your husband would be regardless of the fact they both hold British passports via different mechanisms.

Genuinely I don’t understand why people who arrive illegally are not detained until it is decided if they are genuine asylum seekers or not and it is properly ascertained who they are. They have broken the law by randomly arriving.

They then further break the law by working illegally (which is one of the reasons we have large numbers it is easy in the U.K. to do so).

Afghan males should all be sent straight back for a start, females accepted (although I doubt they’d even get out of the country).

The idea that uneducated people benefit the U.K. on net financially is farcical frankly. But of course skilled, educated migrants do. And some uneducated people will contribute positively in other ways, the problem is that many will also bring significant issues.

Define "net contributer"

Some extracts from Mein Kampf here ( https://www.yadvashem.org/docs/extracts-from-mein-kampf.html ).

Swap Jews for unspecified-but-likely-Muslim-boat-people and Rhineland for "this country our grandfathers fought and died for" and damn it, you have much the same from an increasingly emboldened set of posters here.

What is not clear in the post is are these immigrants here working legally? In which case they are paying taxes so like anyone else are entitled to benefits! This is also missing and the majority of people don’t know this:
Working migrants in the UK generally have to pay an Immigration Health Surcharge (IHS) to access the National Health Service (NHS). The standard rate is £1,035 per year of the visa, payable upfront when applying for the visa! so those saying all migrants get free access to the NHS are ill informed! But we mustn’t let that spoil the racist narrative of Reform!

What type of benefits? And what is meant by immigrants?

Yes asylum seekers are not allowed to work while their claims are being processed. Most would love to work.

Deliveroo. They rent accounts, the police eveb just shut down a dark kitchen in an asylum hotel.
They also deal drugs.

Most people claiming benefits, immigrants or not, are doing so because they don't earn enough to live on. Instead of demonising migrants or cutting the benefits bill, the government should stop subsidising employers who pay poverty wages in the first place. And maybe look things like revising the stupid situation with social care having to pay the increased NI contributions. Subsidising multi million pound retailers while driving social care providers out of business, very clever.

This is exactly what’s happening in this country. Immigrants are being scapegoated for the shit show caused by the govt.

I'm sure i heard that asylum seekers were not allowed to work, not sure if this is true
It is true, and very easy to look up and verify.