Afghan Relocation Scheme - £7bn going to be spent

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg8zy78787o.amp

How did they find the money for this? Also, no checks to confirm what sort of people we are letting into the country.

This country is an utter disaster,m

Child Marriage is still legal in the USA

In 3 states there is no minimum age for marriage

Children as young as 12 are married

The vast majority of under-aged people are girls (marrying older men)

Statutory Rape laws don’t come into effect if someone is married … so legalised child abuse.

Despite all this, I don’t think all Americans are paedophiles … or support the sexual abuse of children… in the same way I don’t think all Afghans are complicit in the sexual abuse of Children,

And the Afghanis who are going to be settled here, put their lives on the line and helped our military out.

For weeks, if not months, we’ve had thread after thread of (mostly) women worrying about conscription and how their poor little darlings would never cope with it. Yet here we have incredibly brave men who put themselves out to help our military, when they absolutely didn’t have to. They risked their lives and their families lives, and in return some pillock managed to leak their data which has made them incredibly vulnerable in their own country.

British citizens or not, they’ve done so much for us, a lot more than some British citizens, and they deserve to be here.

I don’t agree there’s definitely a cover up @Jennps. I’ve spent a long. Time working for the civil service and you realise that the majority of mistakes are cock ups rather than a conspiracy.

The LBC link is far from dodgy. In fact, if you are going to believe anything on this, it should be what was in the LBC link. One of their presenters, who is also of “The Newsagents” fame, Lewis Goodall, was made privy to a data breech where the names of those who had helped U.K. forces had been leaked from the government and there was concern it could get into the hands of the Taliban.

There followed a 23 month Super Injunction to prevent he and another journalist from publishing anything about it, or talking about it, or even warning anyone on the list that it had happened. Initially this was supposedly about the risk to those on the list but as time went on, when during the secret court sessions there were super secret sessions that even the journalist’s lawyers were barred from, it was clear this was about covering up the government’s failings. It was the Conservative government who were the architects of this, but Labour chose not to shut it down when they came in to power.

The government spent an estimated £400 million on that court case. The £7 billion figure comes from government estimates of what the data breech could have cost them. However Parliament have had no scrutiny of those figures so it is impossible to know what’s included. What absolutely not true, is that they spent £7 billion on resettling around 6,900 Afghans.

The secret ARAP scheme was set up by the Government because of the data breech. Incidentally, there was a further breech in 2023 when an officer sent an email to 265 of the scheme’s applicants without using blind copy so their addresses were visible to anyone. Prior to the scheme, the government, who had promised to protect these people, had only invited a handful of people to resettle in the U.K.

What amazes me is, people read this story (or probably just the headline) and jump on the false “£7 billion immigration” aspect of it. What is a far more problematic issue is £7 billion has been spent or allocated, in secret, with absolutely no chance of parliamentary scrutiny. This in itself would go some way to explaining why there was a £22b black hole found by Rachel Reeves when she came in to the Treasury. What else had the Conservatives spent in secret? It is also very problematic that the Government spent £400 million covering up the error.

If anyone is sitting thinking the immigration angle of this is the worst part of this whole debacle, they need to ask themselves why they think Government spending billions in secret to cover up their errors is not top of their list for their anger.

I would presume they are uniquely placed to know if those applying were part of the group who aided the military.

The crime was the appalling way uk left Afghanistan and the data breach afterwards. I’m all for helping and bringing over people who supported the UK and are now in mortal danger. People are not pawns to be used and thrown away. Of course, the incompetent arse here was Dominic Raab.

It is disturbing and disgusting. Women are not allowed to dance in public but boys as young as 10 can dress up in women’s clothing and dance, the boys are then taken to hotels and sexually abused 🤢

We are all anonymous here, so I really don’t get your point?

The reason people are reacting to this is that Afghani men are 20x more likely than brits to commit a sexual assault.

The UK has the highest rape stats in Europe..

There is a rape reported every HOUR in London. This is not the city I grew up in and I am frightened for my children. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cxr202eee0no.amp

Where do you get the figure of Afghan men being 20 times more likely to commit a sexual assault? If you’re going to say something like that you need to back it up.

The figure given in your link for reported rapes in the UK is awful, but figures will be influenced by things like how likely women are to report race in various countries, what is the threshold for naming rape in different countries. Considering rape didn’t exist within marriage in the UK until fairly recently, it’s reasonable to assume that an exact comparison between countries is difficult to achieve.

The level of gaslighting by rape apologists in this thread is disgusting.

While Afghan nationals make up approximately 0.2% of the UK population, they account for a significantly higher proportion of arrests and convictions for rape and sexual offences. Their conviction rate—at around 59 per 10,000—is roughly 20–22 times higher than the national average of 2.7 per 10,000.

The rape apologists seem to have disappeared. Probably fund it too difficult to defend the appalling levels of abuse and sexual crime.

It really tells you something when calling out rape means you get labeled as racist.

They risked their lives and their families lives to help the UK against the Taliban.

Its not their fault the old government massively screwed up by releasing their details. Their lives, their families lives are at risk.

Its the UKs fuck up to deal with and sort out, one way or another.

One thing I do find weird is that there's plenty of threads where people say how uncomfortable they felt in, for example, Tunisia or Morocco or Egypt, because of being harassed, leered at, groped etc, people agree and share their own similar anecdotes.

Yet mention on another thread that certain nationalities or cultures have a higher rate of sexual offending and some people get really angry.
Bizarre.

@ExtraOnions really? Child marriage in USA 😱

A marine came on the radio tonight saying we don't know who we are letting in he said he's been in Afghanistan and these people are battle hardened he said obviously not all of them but many have seen hard combat. We should be doing strict vetting

I think taking all views into account is important.

We live in an extremely luxurious country we are insulated to the extreme poverty and hard lives of third world country

@ArtTheClown maybe it's different people commenting?

I've been to morrocco three times and never had issues but I'm also not naive as to the very different prism at which women are viewed in countries run through Islam in conjunction with being very poor, low education and no interest in equality at all.

I said earlier I think we have a duty to help people we have exposed but I also think it's sensible to still vet people.

They were paid to help; the vastly majority weren't volunteers.

Do you think their contract of employment had a section which said that if the UK government fucked up and compromised their security, and that of their families, by releasing their information to the Taleban – and then washed their hands of them – they'd have still signed up. Would you?

What difference does that make? The troops they supported were paid too - did that make the danger less?

Don’t give the trolls oxygen. The thread has been hijacked by bots pushing the usual hate propaganda. justice for victims of rape is just convenient guise for the real agenda which is to spread hate.

This thread is on Afghanistan tho so not sure how those nationalities come into play?

Even worse then. We hired them to collaborate in a dodgy invasion of their own country, at great personal risk. They were then ratted out to the Taliban, who would go after them and their families.

Red carpet for these victims of our godawful neocolonial fuckwittery.

These people worked to help the British government, putting their own and their families lives in danger with the end goal of keeping us as a nation, safe. Our government, through absolute incompetence, endangered their lives even more through this data breach. Of course we should absolutely do what it takes to provide them with safety after what they’ve done for us.

The fault lies with the previous government for the breach and cover up & the current government for continuing to keep it quiet. Checks and balances need to be in place & the government needs to be held accountable but ultimately these people need protected!

This is a completely separate issue from illegal migration via boats and should be treated as such.

This thread is on Afghanistan tho so not sure how those nationalities come into play?

I said for example. Realistically though, looking at Afghanistan, do you think attitudes to women and girls are liberal and respectful?