Thread 7: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Second article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

Third item in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

Fourth item in The Observer
‘I felt I was being gaslit’ – the landlord who helped Ray...

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

New posters welcome. It would be helpful to read at least the four Observer items above before posting.

To all - Please be careful when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Please do not engage with possible visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail.
Keep on the path as we have done together amazingly well for six threads so far. No saltiness. Thank you.

Sheep…cloaning…they walked along the Jurassic coast … I’m thinking something more exciting..,,

I somehow doubt that Raymoth were overly concerned with legalities at Gangani Publishing given they were using the book to raffle off their house and claiming it was mortgage free when it was anything but. We don't know how many were sold but the raffle was not a success so I doubt there are very many hard copies out there. Some purchasers opted to download a copy but one poster on the Accidental Smallholder forum seemed to be having difficulty getting the links sent to work funnily enough.

Re my post about legal deposit libraries, I realised too late to edit it that I'd listed Dublin as being within the UK - sorry, my mistake.

According to the fount of all accurate knowledge 😀, Wikipedia's page on the subject says 'Although the Irish Free State left the UK in 1922, Trinity College remains a UK deposit library, and the UK libraries reciprocally retain deposit rights for Irish publications.' I'm not going to go down a rabbit hole checking the accuracy of this but it looks as if there's some sort of exception in place.

Wolves in sheep's clothing?

"Have you heard of Oostervardplassen in the Netherlands? They just imported a lot of wild horses and deer and left population management to nature, which did end up with a few corpses lying around, which upset some animal lovers."
In the articles I read it said they had to shoot 90% of the large herbivores- deer, horses and cattle- before they starved to death one winter.

"Biodiversity wise it was a great success."
Left completely unmanaged I think the place was an overgrazed wasteland. Now they have a managed cull of the populations- as wild deer are here. As I understand it they also deliberately alter water levels now to stop the marshland from just filling in.

"Or, if you really want an ecosystem to manage itself, reintroduce some apex predators."
All well and good if you have the acreage to sustain a viable population. Oostervardplassen is 18,500 acres and apex predators would be genetically isolated. Cf Yellowstone which is over 2 million acres and supports 100-120 wolves, with crossover into the surrounding area.
I like the principle of rewilding but I don't think there are any areas in western Europe where it could be done in its purest form. The last wolf in Scotland was killed round about 1680 when the human population was less than a tenth of current numbers.

At the time I first saw this, I noticed that it looks like it is only in Timoth's name and not joint names or Salray's. If so, I wonder why?

Family member and not a self confessed thief?

I have seen it claimed that Salray 'had always worked on the land'. Baffling.

Yeesh...some story about rabbits.

From a 2021 interview:
https://www.toniachristie.de/interviews-2021/raynor-winn-the-salt-path/

I used to go to the woods when I was quite small. And it was a place I was never supposed to go because the game keeper there set traps for the foxes. So it was quite dangerous I suppose. My parents didn’t want me to go there, but I went anyway. I used to spent hours in there watching the wildlife – the birds, the pheasants, the rabbits and just listening to the wind in the trees. And there was always something else I wanted to find out, always something I wanted to discover. This is a ridiculous little story, but there were always a lot of rabbits on our farm and I used to block up rabbit holes, so they couldn’t get down. It was that sort of nonsense I did in my childhood. So while my friends were playing in the park I was just trapping rabbits in the woods. That was really part of who I was. It was a curiosity about how it all interacted and how I could interact with nature.

So while my friends were playing in the park I was just trapping rabbits in the woods. That was really part of who I was (Sally Walker / Raynor Winn)

Poor little rabbits! 😥That's really mean what she did.

What the fuck!

She's an awful woman.

This is not part and parcel of life as a kid on a farm - it's sign of a psychopath.

First time for everything 😂.

Unless she was blocking 'em up with concrete the poor little rabbits would just dig back in. Mummy rabbits put their babies in short tunnels called 'stops' and block them in all day to go out grazing, then unblocks each time she visits to feed. Sometimes she will split her litter across several stops.

A thought that occurred watching the Rick Stein clip - why did they load up the cider press without press cloths? Is that what made the actual owner raise an eyebrow?

I've only ever seen hessian/jute sacking used, I believe other materials (muslin etc) are used but its normal to layer sacking, straw, apple mush, over and over folding in the loose edges of the cloth to hold the 'cheese' together. Otherwise when you increase the pressure, it will all splurge out the sides!

Also drinking more than a few sips of that pure, raw apple juice will give you the gut rot and trots like you would not believe - ask me how I know unwise child.

The more I see/read the more I think these two know the bare minimum about farming, cider making, re-wilding etc, they're just bullshitting on a grand scale. I wonder if the scale of the french property scared the shit out of them and they ran away from it.

They say that don't they? Harming animals is the sign in childhood of a psychopath.

I did assume she was a psychopath / sociopath anyway from the things we have now discovered she did, but this about the rabbits - she seems proud she was doing that while the other children were playing together in the park.

Tortoises?

Are the ETTC couple really Raymoth in makeup? Did they just want to be on the telly? Ironic to be shown your own house...

Criminals usually start out by committing animal cruelty in their childhood and adolescence.

Do you think it’s possible that they would be on these threads?! I suddenly got a feeling tonight. Judging by all that’s been unearthed, including the publishing ‘scheme’ years ago, I wouldn’t be surprised. So much very accessible information here now to be able to keep tabs on, in a way that you can’t with journalists. Just a thought…

I don't think it's particularly helpful to attribute sociapathic tendencies to the Walkers.

Not least for the survival of the threads.

In fairness, there’s a bit of discussion in TWS about what it actually means to ‘Sam’, and whether ‘restorative farming’ is a better term.

And often children who do this have experienced trauma. Hopefully nothing bad happened to her. Shouldn't speculate really

@CoasttoCoast84 I don't think SalRay and TiMoth themselves are on here but it wouldn't surprise me if someone close to them who they haven't fleeced money off is. There's been a few different posters and one point or another who've popped on, told us that we're all vile and disappeared again in a puff of smoke.

A lack of warm, responsive parenting in early childhood, including limited interaction and emotional support, can contribute to the development of psychopathic traits.

Didn’t Raymoth say her relationship with her mother was “difficult”? That would make even more sense.
I believe the pair are both narcissists , SW a grandiose narcissist and TW a covert narcissist.

I think she probably thought it was innocent fun as a child. What's perhaps more worrying is she doesn't call herself out on it when sharing the anecdote as champion of nature and rewilding. Instead, it's a "ridiculous story" that she tries to use to demonstrate her lifelong curiosity.

I think what we have to remember is that Raysal - apparently - grew up on a working farm. Aspects of farming and pest control - that is what too many rabbits are seen as - can seem barbaric, especially if you haven't grown up with it. Children on working farms start to have to muck in at a very early age and it would have seemed perfectly normal to her.

Yes, thanks, I don't think speculation about potential trauma or difficult childhoods is ok, unless already in the public domain.