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Thread 7: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 14/07/2025 14:32

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Second article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

Third item in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

Fourth item in The Observer
‘I felt I was being gaslit’ – the landlord who helped Ray...

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

New posters welcome. It would be helpful to read at least the four Observer items above before posting.

To all - Please be careful when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Please do not engage with possible visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail.
Keep on the path as we have done together amazingly well for six threads so far. No saltiness. Thank you.

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Penniless and homeless, the Winns found fame and fortune with the story of their 630-mile walk to salvation. We can reveal that the truth behind it is ve...

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-real-salt-path-how-the-couple-behind-a-bestseller-left-a-trail-of-debt-and-deceit

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PullTheBricksDown · 15/07/2025 22:13

AldoGordo · 15/07/2025 22:10

I think she probably thought it was innocent fun as a child. What's perhaps more worrying is she doesn't call herself out on it when sharing the anecdote as champion of nature and rewilding. Instead, it's a "ridiculous story" that she tries to use to demonstrate her lifelong curiosity.

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Does she ever call herself out on anything? Don't see why she'd start now.

User14March · 15/07/2025 22:17

DisappointedReader · 15/07/2025 22:11

I think what we have to remember is that Raysal - apparently - grew up on a working farm. Aspects of farming and pest control - that is what too many rabbits are seen as - can seem barbaric, especially if you haven't grown up with it. Children on working farms start to have to muck in at a very early age and it would have seemed perfectly normal to her.

Yes, thanks, I don't think speculation about potential trauma or difficult childhoods is ok, unless already in the public domain.

Interestingly perhaps she writes of her father getting rid of water voles, mistaking them for rats, & being very upset.

DisappointedReader · 15/07/2025 22:21

User14March · 15/07/2025 22:17

Interestingly perhaps she writes of her father getting rid of water voles, mistaking them for rats, & being very upset.

I think there would be a distinction for her of rats being vermin and water voles being wildlife.

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User14March · 15/07/2025 22:24

DisappointedReader · 15/07/2025 22:21

I think there would be a distinction for her of rats being vermin and water voles being wildlife.

Yes, absolutely. Her unhappiness was her father didn’t differentiate as she felt he should. A working farm must be tough in these respects for children.

placemats · 15/07/2025 22:26

DisappointedReader · 15/07/2025 22:21

I think there would be a distinction for her of rats being vermin and water voles being wildlife.

All small mammals have a right to exist.

OpenThatWindow · 15/07/2025 22:27

DisappointedReader · 15/07/2025 22:11

I think what we have to remember is that Raysal - apparently - grew up on a working farm. Aspects of farming and pest control - that is what too many rabbits are seen as - can seem barbaric, especially if you haven't grown up with it. Children on working farms start to have to muck in at a very early age and it would have seemed perfectly normal to her.

Yes, thanks, I don't think speculation about potential trauma or difficult childhoods is ok, unless already in the public domain.

The farming backgrounds I'm aware of personally (third generation farmers) were instilled with a deep respect for all life, they'd have been in big trouble if caught tormenting rabbits as kids, even 'harmlessly'. But I admit this is only my anecdotal experience!

Kids on genuine working farms would not even have time for hours upon hours of curious nature watching - there's too much to do.

Good point though RE speculation, will leave that there.

MrsKypp · 15/07/2025 22:31

Some interesting and varied comments following that:

An old friend of mine died horribly of Cortico Basel Degeneration. It was slow and agonising and eventually she was almost completely paralysed. How she would have felt, being told that she could "walk it off" feels like a slap in the face to me, let alone how cruel and heartless it would be to her. The only possible good outcome is that more people will become aware of this terrible disease.

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Yes sadly a dear friend of mine died of CBD and I felt exactly the same when I read the book.

The heart-warming story of a man who recovered from a terminal illness by going camping in the pissing rain with his embezzler wife

..It very much WAS an open secret. I know many fellow writers who were openly suspicious of it, and it was very much known. Regarding publishers fact checking, while not a legal requirement, it certainly should be done. There is also a conversation to be had about the preference for middle / upper class stories. Had this been a story about TRUE homelessness, it wouldn't have sold.

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Second draft: 'The Condiment Con'
Sequel title: 'On the Gravy Train'.

I am about to publish a memoir about my life affirming walk to Aldi last Wednesday. It is called "The Shite Path". When I got home I never had cancer.

I saw the book when it was released and toyed with buying it, but I am pretty “I did this and changed my life” fatigued to be honest, so didn’t buy it. Then when I heard that they had “cured” his brain condition with the walk, I then just rolled my eyes. I am not surprised that it took the world by storm though. We are so down trodden at the moment with the state of the world and this “showed” that paring back, getting back to nature, etc is an option. I guess people needed that hope in some way. But I do think there were signs a lot of it was fabricated (not least Tim’s/Moth's illness). They would have felt emboldened by the NDA that the people she stole money from had to sign. Of course, they probably didn’t even consider someone might investigate them, finding out they not only didn’t lose their house through a bad business investment, but also own a chunk of land in France, meaning they weren’t as destitute as they made out. The Observer article cited what I would consider to be irrefutable proof - the threat of court for embezzlement, the borrowing of money to pay for the embezzled money, the death of the person she borrowed money from and the subsequent owners of the business who forced the repayment forcing them out of their home, the interview with the people who bought the house and could confirm endless letters of demand addressed to the Walkers, the french land in their names. I honestly don’t think there is anything “alleged” about it. This all leaves a very bad tasted in people’s mouths and not only that, it will make people question similar books to come because we will be asking ourselves, is this REALLY true.

Posh con woman, reminds me of a woman that got an old fella walking miles in their mansion garden during a pandemic. Glad I never bought either book! total rubbish, grifting rich folk giving false hope to are very ill or the public who think money is going to a good cause. Awful people & greedy publishers not doing due diligence all out to line their pockets.

If someone is making money from a medical miracle story they are bound to be well dodgy.
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Certified red flag.

If this book gave even 1 person false hope in regard to a serious illness, it should be pulled from sale and the writer should be sued into Oblivion. Abhorrent.

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Bruisername · 15/07/2025 22:35

It’s funny people think they are posh - or that captain toms family are

its an easy way to dehumanise or put a barrier between you and the person who has ‘wronged’ - when in reality they are not posh in any way and more similar to these commentators than they would like to think

DisappointedReader · 15/07/2025 22:37

PullTheBricksDown · 15/07/2025 22:13

Does she ever call herself out on anything? Don't see why she'd start now.

My biggest take from the rabbits story is that it actually doesn't show her in a very good light. Many or most of her readers won't like it. They won't be farmers or country people going back generations. I think what has struck many of us after reading TSP is that she often doesn't show herself in a very favourable or even vaguely likeable light. Is this an attempt to make it seem like a brutally honest 'warts and all' account, does she not care what people think of her or does she lack self-awareness? Not so brutally honest 'warts and all' to want to include the missing £64k though. Strangely, I think she cares very much what people think of her but I think she is lacking in self-awareness.

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SwetSwetSwet · 15/07/2025 22:42

Not so brutally honest 'warts and all' to want to include the missing £64k though.
The £64k shows TimMoth in a bad light as well, whereas the rabbit story only reflects on SW. Are there any similar negative stories about TimMoth?

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 15/07/2025 22:43

Bruisername · 15/07/2025 22:35

It’s funny people think they are posh - or that captain toms family are

its an easy way to dehumanise or put a barrier between you and the person who has ‘wronged’ - when in reality they are not posh in any way and more similar to these commentators than they would like to think

I don't think they are upper class posh but I also don't think they are working class (or certainly not like anyone in my WC circles anyone) so by a process of elimination that makes then middle class to me.

For some reason people seemed to.thing the MC mention was being used as an insult in the last thread, but it really was just a fact.

AldoGordo · 15/07/2025 22:47

I was reading some comments on FB about the Herald piece that frames the backlash in terms of "gleeful elitism" (haven't read it). I find it fascinating how so many people are either not bothered about the truth, refuse to believe the newspapers, have zero ability to scrutinise, or simply think her writing is so wonderful that it gives her a pass. Oh and that the story is so full of hope despite not recognising that the hope is based on foundations as robust as a melting fudge bar.

Bruisername · 15/07/2025 22:49

It’s funny on the class thing (I find the British obsession with class truly bizarre)

some say they only got where they are because they are middle class

others say they are only being pilloried because they aren’t middle class enough

CheerybleBrothers · 15/07/2025 22:50

FurryHappyKittens · 15/07/2025 21:50

I don't think it's particularly helpful to attribute sociapathic tendencies to the Walkers.

Not least for the survival of the threads.

Agree. I mean, I don’t see any evidence of sociopathy. There’s evidence of impulsivity and poor decisions, bad money management and one documented (probable) theft of a significant sum of money, but I think the rest of it is putting together an unexpectedly successful book from a tissue of half-truths, outright lies, massaged timelines etc and then leaning into it all rather than leaving it at that.

Bruisername · 15/07/2025 22:51

We reached Land’s End in a howling gale of horizontal rain and driving sand. Every other walker had abandoned the cliffs and found safety, leaving us alone at the edge of the Atlantic. We had only a Mars bar and a few £1 coins left to sustain us, yet as we sat in our tent with just two sheets of wet nylon between us and Canada,

this seems so unlikely

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 15/07/2025 22:55

Bruisername · 15/07/2025 22:49

It’s funny on the class thing (I find the British obsession with class truly bizarre)

some say they only got where they are because they are middle class

others say they are only being pilloried because they aren’t middle class enough

Yeah it is strange.

For me I just don't like grifters and I don't care what class bracket they fall into.

ThatFluentHedgehog · 15/07/2025 23:04

WyldMountainThyme · 15/07/2025 20:32

I searched for How Not to Dal dy Dir by Izzy Wyn-Thomas in the British Library and National Library of Wales databases but they didn't seem to hold copies.

I think UK publishers have a statutory responsibility to deposit with the British Library copies of any of their publications within thirty days of them being published. The five other legal deposit libraries in the UK ,including the the National Library of Wales, are entitled to request copies too.

If anyone who has a reader's ticket to one of the six legal deposit libraries (London, Wales, Scotland, Dublin, Oxford and Cambridge) wants to see a copy of the book, I think it may be possible to request that the library gets hold of one for their collection. The Bodleian in Oxford, for example, says 'Where we identify a gap in our collection of British publications, our Legal Deposit Operations Office sends a claim to the Agency for the Legal Deposit Libraries (ALDL), which makes claims on behalf of all legal deposit libraries (except the British Library)'.

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It was self-published by their DIY publishing company, Gangani Publishing. @DisappointedReader here is the archived link you were asking for: <a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20120628120623/www.ganganipublishing.co.uk/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20120628120623/www.ganganipublishing.co.uk/

With print-on-demand self-publishing you're not required to send a copy to e.g. British Library for their records. The onus is on the author/publisher to get an ISBN, to make the edition uniquely trackable. But depending what platform you use, you could self-publish without an ISBN.

Gangani Publishing - Win the Gangani Farmhouse on the Llyn Peninsula

Win the Gangani Farmhouse on the Llyn Peninsula in the Gangani Publishing Free Prize Draw, with How not to Dal dy Dir by Izzy Wyn-Thomas.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120628120623/http://www.ganganipublishing.co.uk/

User14March · 15/07/2025 23:11

tighterthanaducksarse · 15/07/2025 22:57

Loose Women

I think this misses most of the key points. Other than they think you need to include the ‘bad bits’ in any autobio & those that are difficult to write.

Redheadedstepchild · 15/07/2025 23:18

tighterthanaducksarse · 15/07/2025 22:57

Loose Women

Do any of you jam factory outings want me to get some sleep?

Janet Street Porter on the joys of rambling, a book:

Coast to Coast: From Dungeness to Weston-super-Mare and Cardiff to Conwy : Street-Porter, Janet: Amazon.co.uk: Books https://share.google/WjeMv6oBvvN9Ps5Iu

Also Janet Street Porter: I've done my knees in with a lot of long distance walking. A confession:

Janet Street-Porter: 'I exercised too much, now I've got arthritis' share.google/VWAmB9EMgD0ETAAjQ

Coast to Coast: From Dungeness to Weston-super-Mare and Cardiff to Conwy : Street-Porter, Janet: Amazon.co.uk: Books

Coast to Coast: From Dungeness to Weston-super-Mare and Cardiff to Conwy : Street-Porter, Janet: Amazon.co.uk: Books

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Coast-Dungeness-Weston-super-Mare-Cardiff-Conwy/dp/0563384247?tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-am-i-being-unreasonable-5373425-thread-7-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film

AldoGordo · 15/07/2025 23:24

User14March · 15/07/2025 23:11

I think this misses most of the key points. Other than they think you need to include the ‘bad bits’ in any autobio & those that are difficult to write.

Totally. There's embellishment and then there's complete fabrication, which they don't address. The most interesting thing I got was the idea that they've experienced publishers and editors trying to guide them to what will sell. Perhaps PRH having something to answer for in this respect? And is it them who trained Salray to regurgitate the same hackneyed spiel over and over again?

MrsKypp · 15/07/2025 23:31

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 15/07/2025 22:43

I don't think they are upper class posh but I also don't think they are working class (or certainly not like anyone in my WC circles anyone) so by a process of elimination that makes then middle class to me.

For some reason people seemed to.thing the MC mention was being used as an insult in the last thread, but it really was just a fact.

I agree @AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta they really don't seem working class, so to a lot of people they could seem posh. To me, they seem middle class and do have something posh about them, although maybe that's their snobbery more than social class.

I am far from an authority on someone's class!! I'm the daughter of immigrants who left school before they were in their teens, but I went to (state) grammar school in a nice part of London and I think most people would see me as middle class. I probably am but without the usual background.

@Bruisername I thought Captain Tom and his family seemed posh. They had a huge house and garden for one thing. Of course there are levels of poshness and they wouldn't be posh in comparison to a lot of very posh people!

Redheadedstepchild · 15/07/2025 23:33

Redheadedstepchild · 15/07/2025 23:18

Do any of you jam factory outings want me to get some sleep?

Janet Street Porter on the joys of rambling, a book:

Coast to Coast: From Dungeness to Weston-super-Mare and Cardiff to Conwy : Street-Porter, Janet: Amazon.co.uk: Books https://share.google/WjeMv6oBvvN9Ps5Iu

Also Janet Street Porter: I've done my knees in with a lot of long distance walking. A confession:

Janet Street-Porter: 'I exercised too much, now I've got arthritis' share.google/VWAmB9EMgD0ETAAjQ

You think she might have brought that up at some point that she was more or less Mrs Ramblers Association?

User14March · 15/07/2025 23:39

Reading Landlines, could Raynor be attributing what any human might feel going up a near vertical rockface to Moth’s terminal illness?

‘My boot slips on the damp rock … and I slide towards the chasm below’. ‘Grasping a boulder ahead of me I stop my fall’. ‘But a landslide of stone hurtles down the near vertical wall’.

Moth ‘are you alright up there’. ‘By the time I reach Moth he’s pressed sideways against the wall of the gully that rises away from us at an eighty degree angle’.

He’s sick we hear, ‘now he’s developed a seemingly paralysing sense of vertigo’.

Funny that! Surely anyone bar a 20 something green beret marine might too up a sheer cliff.

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