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Thread 7: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 14/07/2025 14:32

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Second article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

Third item in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

Fourth item in The Observer
‘I felt I was being gaslit’ – the landlord who helped Ray...

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

New posters welcome. It would be helpful to read at least the four Observer items above before posting.

To all - Please be careful when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Please do not engage with possible visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail.
Keep on the path as we have done together amazingly well for six threads so far. No saltiness. Thank you.

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Penniless and homeless, the Winns found fame and fortune with the story of their 630-mile walk to salvation. We can reveal that the truth behind it is ve...

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-real-salt-path-how-the-couple-behind-a-bestseller-left-a-trail-of-debt-and-deceit

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tighterthanaducksarse · 15/07/2025 19:59

Has anyone taken a look at Four Hares Ltd on companies house? The company was incorporated in 2920.
The balance sheets are quite interesting, I'm scratching my head to think what the fixed assets are...
Any accountants out there?

Bruisername · 15/07/2025 20:00

tighterthanaducksarse · 15/07/2025 19:59

Has anyone taken a look at Four Hares Ltd on companies house? The company was incorporated in 2920.
The balance sheets are quite interesting, I'm scratching my head to think what the fixed assets are...
Any accountants out there?

Can you link?

Catwith69lives · 15/07/2025 20:04

derxa · 15/07/2025 19:54

I knew they were frauds when I read about a 19 year old sheep. It’s crap. Me and shepherdess did once stand in a field and cry over the body of a dead ram but she’s full of shit.

19 years old? Is that in the book?

tighterthanaducksarse · 15/07/2025 20:08

It seems there are 4 people on their payroll and have been from the start ,including themselves. In 2022 there was £168.600 in the bank/ to hand.

Bruisername · 15/07/2025 20:10

Micro accounts. What a bore

the fixed asset could be a car!

MrsKypp · 15/07/2025 20:11

Timothy Walker was made a Director in 2023.

Rather odd for someone supposedly with a terminal brain disease that causes severe physical disability and cognitive decline who was supposed to have died of it within 2 years of 2013 (and again within 2 months of Oct 2021).

AldoGordo · 15/07/2025 20:12

Jarstastic · 15/07/2025 19:28

This is brilliant, thank you!

What sort of age is this half uncle? (I’m wondering if mothers half brother if from a second marriage could be closer in age to Timothy to give a kernel of truth of childhood friend)

and was the charge on the house from a person or a company?

6 years exactly between them so it's within the realm of possibility. And they lived in the general Burton area. Tim's maternal grandmother married first in 1937 then again in 1948 which explains the close ages in the half uncle-nephew relationship.

We don't know if the charge was from a person or a company. Raymoth argued it was from a company, Cooper argued it was him personally, which allowed him to transfer it to his two claimants and remove himself from the equation.

Muffsies · 15/07/2025 20:13

tighterthanaducksarse · 15/07/2025 19:59

Has anyone taken a look at Four Hares Ltd on companies house? The company was incorporated in 2920.
The balance sheets are quite interesting, I'm scratching my head to think what the fixed assets are...
Any accountants out there?

Fixed assets are things like cars, plant & machinery and equipment that have a high value and lifespan.

Merrymouse · 15/07/2025 20:13

crackofdoom · 15/07/2025 19:51

You really should read Wilding!

At Knepp they keep their livestock down by turning them into posh steaks and sausages.

Have you heard of Oostervardplassen in the Netherlands? They just imported a lot of wild horses and deer and left population management to nature, which did end up with a few corpses lying around, which upset some animal lovers. Biodiversity wise it was a great success.

Or, if you really want an ecosystem to manage itself, reintroduce some apex predators.

Or, if you really want an ecosystem to manage itself, reintroduce some apex predators.

That would certainly be a different book if they tried to do that on a Cornish cider farm! 😆

FurryHappyKittens · 15/07/2025 20:15

WyldMountainThyme · 15/07/2025 19:50

@Jarstastic Yes, I saw that Angela Harding's ex-SP merchandise had now all been re-labelled as Cornish Path. She was very quick off the mark - the change was made within a day or two of the Observer article's publication. I imagined her looking at the original linocut and wondering if she could just gouge out the two figures from the cliff and rework them into some sort of plant or animal then reissue the revised print as completely free from human interference. I wonder if she holds the copyright.

One thing I wonder about this is whether she could ask for her coverart to be withdrawn from the fourth book (if they decided to go ahead). She will own the copyright, but PRH may own usage rights. But I wonder if there's a clause in the contract where she can withdraw for any reason that would bring her artwork into disrepute or somesuch.

I mean, she's hardly going to promote it in any way, so that could be harmful for PRH.

If they go ahead, I imagine they would rebrand all four books, though.

Bruisername · 15/07/2025 20:17

AldoGordo · 15/07/2025 20:12

6 years exactly between them so it's within the realm of possibility. And they lived in the general Burton area. Tim's maternal grandmother married first in 1937 then again in 1948 which explains the close ages in the half uncle-nephew relationship.

We don't know if the charge was from a person or a company. Raymoth argued it was from a company, Cooper argued it was him personally, which allowed him to transfer it to his two claimants and remove himself from the equation.

A personal loan makes more sense given how quickly they needed it

AldoGordo · 15/07/2025 20:23

Bruisername · 15/07/2025 20:17

A personal loan makes more sense given how quickly they needed it

Yes, and there were still 3 other company directors that one would think might need to be consulted first, given the company was already struggling.

ETA: and a personal loan they signed off on doesn't carry the same smokescreen framework or induce sympathy as the company and investment confusion described in TSP.

Iwrotesomething · 15/07/2025 20:25

Muffsies · 15/07/2025 20:13

Fixed assets are things like cars, plant & machinery and equipment that have a high value and lifespan.

My reading of the accounts was that this was mostly accounted for by vehicles.

tighterthanaducksarse · 15/07/2025 20:27

MrsKypp · 15/07/2025 20:11

Timothy Walker was made a Director in 2023.

Rather odd for someone supposedly with a terminal brain disease that causes severe physical disability and cognitive decline who was supposed to have died of it within 2 years of 2013 (and again within 2 months of Oct 2021).

I was about to say that too.

tighterthanaducksarse · 15/07/2025 20:29

Iwrotesomething · 15/07/2025 20:25

My reading of the accounts was that this was mostly accounted for by vehicles.

I know but a fancy car or whatever bought whilst paying a peppercorn rent because the landlord took pity on them.

RainyTuesdaysAndSunnyWednesdays · 15/07/2025 20:29

The toothless 19 year old sheep probably died from loneliness, sheep should never be on their own but it's companions had been sent away the previous year. Plus, it is illegal to bury farm animals on site, but then the law doesn't apply to the the Winn / Walkers, does it.

crackofdoom · 15/07/2025 20:31

Merrymouse · 15/07/2025 20:13

Or, if you really want an ecosystem to manage itself, reintroduce some apex predators.

That would certainly be a different book if they tried to do that on a Cornish cider farm! 😆

I mean, that's the thing. "Rewilding" is a much abused term and tends to mean different things to different people. The Daily Mail crowd seem to think it means everyone wants wolves running around. Some people take it to mean a quite highly managed environment with a bit of wildflower meadow they seeded themselves. That's why a lot of proponents nowadays prefer the term "Nature restoration ".

DisappointedReader · 15/07/2025 20:32

FurryHappyKittens · 15/07/2025 20:15

One thing I wonder about this is whether she could ask for her coverart to be withdrawn from the fourth book (if they decided to go ahead). She will own the copyright, but PRH may own usage rights. But I wonder if there's a clause in the contract where she can withdraw for any reason that would bring her artwork into disrepute or somesuch.

I mean, she's hardly going to promote it in any way, so that could be harmful for PRH.

If they go ahead, I imagine they would rebrand all four books, though.

TSP is available with a still from the film on the cover instead of Angela's artwork.

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WyldMountainThyme · 15/07/2025 20:32

I searched for How Not to Dal dy Dir by Izzy Wyn-Thomas in the British Library and National Library of Wales databases but they didn't seem to hold copies.

I think UK publishers have a statutory responsibility to deposit with the British Library copies of any of their publications within thirty days of them being published. The five other legal deposit libraries in the UK ,including the the National Library of Wales, are entitled to request copies too.

If anyone who has a reader's ticket to one of the six legal deposit libraries (London, Wales, Scotland, Dublin, Oxford and Cambridge) wants to see a copy of the book, I think it may be possible to request that the library gets hold of one for their collection. The Bodleian in Oxford, for example, says 'Where we identify a gap in our collection of British publications, our Legal Deposit Operations Office sends a claim to the Agency for the Legal Deposit Libraries (ALDL), which makes claims on behalf of all legal deposit libraries (except the British Library)'.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 15/07/2025 20:32

derxa · 15/07/2025 19:54

I knew they were frauds when I read about a 19 year old sheep. It’s crap. Me and shepherdess did once stand in a field and cry over the body of a dead ram but she’s full of shit.

This is one of the things I don't get, if she's tapping away at her laptop and suddenly thinks "I'll put something in about a two decade old sheep. That'll sound nice for readers" why not Google to see if it's plausible. Otherwise you run the risk of people thinking your whole book is a work of fiction and they might not be wrong.

DisappointedReader · 15/07/2025 20:37

Merrymouse · 15/07/2025 20:13

Or, if you really want an ecosystem to manage itself, reintroduce some apex predators.

That would certainly be a different book if they tried to do that on a Cornish cider farm! 😆

A pair of sharks?

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FlyAgaricc · 15/07/2025 20:38

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 15/07/2025 20:32

This is one of the things I don't get, if she's tapping away at her laptop and suddenly thinks "I'll put something in about a two decade old sheep. That'll sound nice for readers" why not Google to see if it's plausible. Otherwise you run the risk of people thinking your whole book is a work of fiction and they might not be wrong.

Apparently pet sheep can live up to 20 years. You never know. This might actually be true

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