To ask what you think about Starmer’s plan to stop the boats?

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I cannot see how his ‘one in one out’ plan is going to help. I also can’t understand why France is cooperating with us. What’s the incentive?

If you don’t agree with this plan, what would your answer be?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckg6x4g6gg6t

I’m surprised the French put up with their situation to help us as much as they do already.

And he called for a ‘proper showdown’ with the British over the ongoing crisis, adding: ‘This one-for-one principle is a way for the British to choose their migrants.

‘They will have the immigration they choose, and we will have immigration they impose.’

That last line sums it up.

We need to think of something but it needs to work for those on the French coast not just make it worse for them.

As others have said, the only way is to discourage migrants. Reinstate the Bibbi Stockholm or similar, Or perhaps send people to the Falkland Islands - that’s Britain too!

I don’t know how we deal with lawyers with an agenda. Advocating and ruling for foreign criminals is, imo, treason. If you come to a country and commit a crime - especially a heinous crime - out. And don’t waste time saying “everyone is entitled to a defence” - yes, of course, but there is one particular firm of lawyers which cherry picks foreign criminals as they have an anti-establishment ethos.

The definition of an asylum seeker is fine. However what would you change about it?

So you're making stuff up and we're not prioritising men over women and children.

So you want a two tier justice system where foreign born people aren't allowed a defence?

I knew that would be the response. No - I want a justice system that serves the citizens of this country - not one in which some lawyers can manipulate sensible laws to advocate for criminals who have no right to be here - the clue is in foreign criminals.

Everyone is entitled to a fair trial and we operate by innocent until proven guilty. You seem to want to turn the UK into some kind of lawless, regressive backwater.

@LovesstaggbeetleI think some countries will become more hardline and start to avoid the system imposed. Whether the set up lasts around that I’m not sure.

Just started to read.

Already got to 3 people who thought the bat shit, ridiculously expensive and illegal Rwanda scheme was 'worth giving a go' , and now this completely inaccurate, ignorant bollocks pops up.

Right wing mumsnet really do deserve Reform PLC running this country, the rest of us normal, decent folk certainly do not.

Quite a few think that about Labour. Going by polling and disapproval ratings.

Again, for all those woefully misinformed.

https://freemovement.org.uk/are-refugees-obliged-to-claim-asylum-in-the-first-safe-country-they-reach/

Loads of FACTS there about hoe we DON'T take our fair share, 'they' don't all come to us , and why there is so much disinformation.

The best solution would be to have a processing centre on coastal France, run jointly by the UK and France. It would massively stop the need for dangerous small boat crossings.

Problem is, Brexit stuck a knife into all that cooperation.

Coastal France doesn’t want the huge influx of migrants in order to help the U.K. out.

They don’t want Starmer’s plan and they won’t want thousands more arriving to be processed there.

Just reading about various charities and groups whose mission is open borders.

I wonder what the outcome of all this will be. I simply don’t understand why some want to admit hundreds of thousands (at least) of undocumented men.

A processing centre in a French town is for the birds. Brexit is irrelevant on that.

They already have fighting, gunfire, lawlessness in camps and a centre would be one of the biggest draws in the EU.

They’ve already got them arriving there. It’s in their interests to get them processed quickly.

No wonder people in the French in coastal towns are saying no way.

For their sake I hope they vote in someone who listens to them at next GE rather than have Starmer’s plans or other mad ones such as processing centres imposed on them.

But nobody and I mean nobody (except actual racists/bigots) mind people such as this seeking asylum. In fact , for one, actively welcome it. There's always this "clever" sarcastic gotcha of "oh I get you, you don't mean those ones" well no, no I don't. We mean the droves of young fit males arriving on boats, ripping up their documents. Why can't people understand that ?

It's not about racism or lack of empathy or right wing extremism. It's about taking a logical, common sense approach to people with little to offer abusing and draining our already struggling systems. It's so open to abuse, and it's being abused spectacularly.

If we starting making deterrent threats , such as we will deflate the boat if entering our waters and France did the same : we'd solve the problem pretty damn quickly. Nobody would dare cross,just in case it happened.

Exactly this. Just do enough to make them think twice about coming.

You want to kill people as a deterrent?

Although I don't know the credentials of who wrote it, I actually found that article quite useful for once. Thank you. It definitely highlights that the rules governing migrants needs a good overall particularly the bit about the ability to enter a country illegally and not be penalised. Two tier. I can't imagine that would work for me if I tried to enter a country illegally. So that should be changed to any applicant entering illegally cannot be treated as an asylum seeker.

The legal system needs a huge overall. The issues of real asylum seekers are being cynically used for the benefit of scroungers. Eg the man who threw acid in his wife's face was a Muslim who someone suggested should pretend to be a persecuted Christian so he could stay here. He had a Muslim burial.

It cannot be.beyond the wit of man/woman to solve this. We just need political will on both sides. We can sit here and say."it's insoluble and we just need to give up" but then Reform would presumably come in with whatever plan they may have. It's the key to any election. Keir's deal today is not that key.

Ah here we go again . Typical liberal. Nowhere does anyone say "let's kill people" 🙄.

What do you think would happen if the boat they were in was destroyed?

It’s usually the narrative isn’t it. If you don’t fundamentally and wholeheartedly agree with liberal values it must mean you want people to die. It’s tiring.

Your lefty/liberal snark is tedious. Then explain what deflating overcrowded dingies will do in the channel.

Did you see the footage of the French police deflating a dinghy? They did it in very shallow, waist height water. Nobody was killed. I don’t think anyone is advocating for deflating them when they’re right in the middle of the channel.

Killing them? By deflating a boat in the shallows?