To ask what you think about Starmer’s plan to stop the boats?

[WhereIsMyJumper]

I cannot see how his ‘one in one out’ plan is going to help. I also can’t understand why France is cooperating with us. What’s the incentive?

If you don’t agree with this plan, what would your answer be?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckg6x4g6gg6t

I would destroy the boats. Imprison the pilot and any other employed or part of the gang.
Detention centres with dormitories, basic food and showers once a week. Not allowed out so can’t work illegally in the black, often criminal, economy - where they are totally exploited anyway and live in awful conditions for £1 ph wages.
Britain wouldn’t be so attractive then.
Also, actually employ enough staff to process applications.

I think the Refugee convention of 1951 doesn’t reflect the world we live in today and needs now to be updated.

Oh what a relief to know that. When you put it like that it really doesn't matter 🙄

I'm already aware that Reform supporters vote for what they want to hear. That was obvious with Brexit; you're just stating the obvious.

This applies to Labour. I’m not sure why people think it wouldn’t.

Inspired by this thread, I've decided to burn my passport and pay someone to smuggle me across to <insert country of choice> where I know I can live undetected and not pay any tax. No visa application required!

Because it doesn’t. There are very few Labour voters who are pleased with what they’re hearing right now.

Get the army on the shores and turn them around. Stop benefits for illegal migrants. Pretty simple really.

Women defending the current illegal immigration is turkeys for Christmas.

Yet the governments proposed welfare reforms were deigned to save just 3.4 billion, which is dwarfed by the asylum seeker hotel bill.

Why bother if it’s such an insignificant sum?

@SquishedMallow

Do you know where Rwanda is or anything about its culture or religion?

I thought that was what the navy was for. If these people were in military boats dressed in military uniforms they wouldnt be getting anywhere near the UK. What they are doing is illegal and breaking the law yet they get taxied in and given the red carpet treatment. How many 1000's of people in the UK sleep on the streets, struggle to feed themselves, cant access dental treatment or have to wait for NHS treatment but turn up in a dinghy and it's all there.

Its taken a while before the inevitable "Shoot them when they land" comments appear....

How else would you turn them back without using lethal force, when they refuse?
Would the Army be ordered to standby if migrants sank the boat?

Tricky in law....

How will anyone illegal be able to claim benefits 🤔

Not to mention the fact that many have already applied for asylum and had it rejected by multiple other countries, so they decide to try their luck in soft touch UK. Like this selfish idiot who killed his daughter doing just that:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68930088

I have no sympathy whatsoever for people who do this. People who believe that these people are genuine are soft in the head.

The same way anyone else is arrested without using lethal force.
Detain in the Channel and take them back to Calais.

This is true, I think.All their plans to stop the boats are just a way of.delaying any real action. Precisely nothing has been done to stop them landing, or to detain them in custody until they can be shipped back home.
No government can be so incompetent that it can do nothing.in a crisis like this.

And if France doesn't accept them, where do you suggest they go then?

If they come from France we should treat them on the basis they are French citizens attempting to enter illegally. So we turn the boats around and say off you go.

Good luck with that 🙄

The French are brilliant at standing up for France. Starmer outmanoevered.again.

Yes. We just roll over every time. We used to be a strong nation once with borders.

We used to disregard other countries borders and are now upset that people from those colonised countries want to seek refuge here.

In reply to whatever else they get..

Free NHS prescriptions.
Free dental treatment.
Free NHS sight tests.
The full value of a voucher towards the cost of glasses and contact lenses.
Free NHS wigs and fabric supports.
Refund of necessary costs of travel to receive NHS treatment.

More than what an OAP receives!

Absolutely agree with you there.