To ask what you think about Starmer’s plan to stop the boats?

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I cannot see how his ‘one in one out’ plan is going to help. I also can’t understand why France is cooperating with us. What’s the incentive?

If you don’t agree with this plan, what would your answer be?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckg6x4g6gg6t

Skilled in what? AI is going to decimate the nascent careers of a large number of graduates.

Here in Aus, we had a horrific boat problem.

Yes it started on the 26th Jan 1788.

Please don't lecture me on what I can or can't say. Like you say the next GE is a long way away and Reform aren't showing any viability as being up to the job. In fact Farage has done nothing for his constituents in a year and he's made millions from the position. He's in favour of Trump style leadership or authoritarianism and admires Putin. If you can't see that and are blinded by rhetoric on "illegals", you're part of the problem.

They come from France though.

Well, Milo, I did say that it was only in my view. Just a suggestion. If you are trying to persuade anyone on here? Rather than be rude about people?

They're using people smugglers to get to the UK.

I've lost you. But don't worry. No need to explain.

Well obviously France is doing a good job at keeping them moving to us ,let's look at what France does and mirror that.

Id card for a start

What is the point of sending millions to France when they let the asylum seekers get on these boats on their shores. They generally leave from the same areas. I saw on the news yesterday journalists were able to film them, yet the French police were doing nothing, they are having a laugh. No wonder our finances are a mess.

They are asylum seekers. The economic migrants get the 450k work visas.

Asylum shopping means going from country to country applying for asylum. The people coming to the UK are using people smugglers to come directly here.

They obviously don’t care as there are solutions. I’m in Australia and we managed it and it’s not ‘different’ for us at all.

There’s a basic formula.

Patrol your border. If we can do it anyone can. Look at a map and check out how much we have to manage. You could basically do it with drones in what is essentially a large puddle between yourselves and possible routes.

Intercept. Do not let them set one foot on your soil. Go back to the 1700/1800’s and hold them in hulks offshore if need be.

Bribe a third world country enough to take them and keep them. Make sure it’s an island so they can’t leave. Plenty would be fine to take your money if you offer enough, which would still be cheaper than paying to accomodate them in UK for life. Places like Guinea-Bissau, Comoros, Kiribati, Tuvalu. Fly them in groups and drop them.

Take a set number through proper application channels with reasonable processing times.

Ignore the minority of do-gooders who will protest. They will protest about the colour of buttercups if you encourage them.

Problem solved and can be done if your government is serious about it. This won a political party an election in Australia a few elections ago, the slogan was ‘Stop The Boats’. This is the sole thing that won it for them. The party has changed since then but the system they set up won’t be dismantled as it’s political suicide for any party to do so, the majority of the population would not tolerate it.

It's just another futile thing to be 'seen to be doing something.' The reality is that it's exceptionally difficult, and expensive to Stop The Boats. The sea is massive, the coastline is huge, France have little desire to stop people leaving their shores, and so the people come.

What really needs to happen is that it needs to become wholly unappealing to come here. At the moment, it's very appealing to come here, and so the boats will continue.

@Alexandra2001 ignored or simply overwhelmed ?
Car washes , human slavery was all new to us until Blair dropped the barriers for Europe to work here and we were flooded with crime .

They definitely tried to tackle it I remember all the stores of human slaves being kept in sheds and caravans to work for slave masters and car washes etc.

But when your talking millions and we already had our own crime issues it's not a surprise they struggled to get on top of it.

Agree. And knowing both countries well it really is the UK struggling to get it together on this. Down to voters of course, but all this we can't when Aus shows how it can happen.

Yes I know. But presumably they don't sail around the coast from Africa. They pass through safe countries.

Anyway let's not engage on this.

Have you asked these Island nations?

Sunak went round the world looking for places to send migrants, he found just Rwanda, who agreed to take just 500 to 1000 per year, up to 5000 in total.

Australia could force PNG into accepting due to the v strong economic ties.

Why not the Falklands? or a Scottish Island?

And if the EU had proper borders of course its not as easy for them to get to us and move freely in Europe.

Well most of them clearly don't need "asylum". Although perhaps we need asylum from some of the incomers. Not all, of course.

What about the Cayman Islands

Why are we even paying France and I expect this new scheme will mean we will have to fork out even more?

Bermuda? they might get lost.

That would prove The Great Replacement Theory right as we all clear out to go there!

Ah the well known "they". One amorphous mass. No difference from one to another, no nuance and how dare they expect food, shelter, medical care and access to a device that it is almost impossible to function in the modern world without now. How about you listen to a few of the posters who work in the sector and describe the conditions in the "hotels" as overcrowded, unsanitary and anything but desirable.

I think that Startmer is doing his best in an impossible situation - it is a conundrum that no-one has come up with a reasonable solution to yet. At least he is not at odds with France - they are communicating which has to be a plus. .