To wonder if there'll be a revolt?

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In the country that's stretched to its limits, today it was announced that Keir has agreed with Mr Macron that just 50 illegal migrants per week will be sent away.

I know so many people are totally fed up with the state of the country.

Will there be protests?

Good question.

And what about their families? You do know that the regimes in these countries might be inclined to kill their families in retaliation for a member of their family leaving? That's the reality if of course they were really in danger in the first place..

I do my bit, love. What I do not do, is go about my life, believing that people with even less than what I have got, are the source of any of my problems. Hth.

It really is not.

Why not? People might think of what you have as a lot. Comparatively.

It’s ironic to see these sad British men who haven’t ever left their town and haven’t got themselves decent qualifications or a good job complaining about and threatening guys who got off their arses and risked their lives to try and get themselves a better life.

Still, they love a flag, a can of beer and a chant. If they can’t do it at football they’ll do it outside a hotel, if the weather’s decent.

They’ll melt away when the season starts again, guaranteed.

I wasn't referring to any of your points in my post. I only mean what I have written. I feel very strongly that any discussion of uncomfortable cultural differences, which do in fact cause real issues in the UK, are often labelled as racist.

As long as we refuse to address these, resentment and problems will build up to a dangerous level. It's like the proverbial volcano.

I wish politicians would set an example and make this crucial differentiation. As I said, there are white British cultural groups who also have problematic attitudes to women - it's not a racist matter, it's a cultural matter. That's all I'm trying to say. Also, people with actual experiences should be listened to by people who have only a theoretical or second-hand understanding of the subject.

That’s what was under discussion though.

Their families are typically in the first “safe” but less comfortable option while the most dangerous journey is taken by the men to the more comfortable option.

They then send for their family.

‘Hoarding’.

That genuinely made me LOL.

And then the patronising use of ‘love’….

Well said

How are they 'safe' in a presumably dangerous country?

I appreciate that but to me, the point I’m making is absolutely crucial to making progress on this issue, which is only going to get more acute.

Just as the notorious speech by Enoch Powell in the 60s made it impossible to have a sensible discussion about immigration, the conflation of race and culture is also getting in the way of honest discussion about the issues which are causing concern in some parts of the country. It’s nothing to do with race and everything to do with culture. As I said, I’ve come across situations where I’ve had to deal with men who have been allowed to think it’s OK in this country to refuse to take a woman’s authority seriously - and there are plenty of apologists for them, which is outrageous!

Where it’s genuinely the case it needs to be openly acknowledged that some cultural differences do need addressing, and not minimising or sweeping under the carpet. Perhaps people need reassurance that their concerns will be taken seriously? Perhaps expectations around sexual politics and behaviour need to be clarified and communicated to new male immigrants more robustly?

I agree but the government has yet to do anything about people’s concerns when it comes to uncontrolled immigration. The can has been kicked down the road for too long. By all governments in the last three decades.

The pretending it’s not a problem and ignoring concerns isn’t a solution.

Which situation is this about?

Many European countries are taking political action and there's emergency suspemsion of Schengen i thought. Feels like we're going to get more popular if we don't change.

Meant to quote this before my comment

I think the kicking the can down the road is right. They don't want to address it - they're leaving it to the next government because as everyone on this thread would probably agree, it's a minefield.

So cowardly and depressing. But I acknowledge it's hugely difficult to address - to be just, compassionate and humane but also put the needs of the UK population first, which any government should do. Tough decisions are needed and they take courage.

Any ideas on what tough decisions are needed?

Ffs

France, you mean?

Or one of the other European countries they transited through?

‘Safe’ is where the asylum seeker feels safe - they have the right to pass through countries to reach the one they choose - established in the UNCHR and upheld in U.K. case law, which still has some weight in our own immigration rules and laws. And ‘safe’ will also include capability to build a life there.
So many reasons to head for a specific country to rebuild a life such as common language, knowledge of country, relatives/friends etc. I definitely would feel more capable of rebuilding a life in Australia than France for example, which doesn’t mean there are no countries that aren’t safe between the U.K. and Oz.
If you look closely into asylum figures you will find Spain is more attractive to Central American countries, where it is a common language for example. And don’t forget that ‘great time’ when Britain ruled the waves, was the ‘mother’ country in so many places - that leaves some feeling that you’d be able to connect in the U.K. For many Afghans they fought/translated/worked alongside us with promises of safety as well. The list goes on.
That’s not to say controls aren’t necessary but we haven’t helped ourselves there. For example, as we left the EU we can’t now utilise their 3rd country rules and return some to other EU countries, we can’t use Europol to find out more info on some asylum seekers.
As anyone who reads my comments knows I don’t think migration will stop, people have always migrated for a better life and some places of the world are getting less habitable. This needs to be acknowledged and discussed on a wide and international level as how to handle it and support human beings globally - but whilst this won’t happen then local hatred against others is never the answer.

Sorry, but I am calling your assertion below, as wrong.

Would you like to repost?

Safe’ is where the asylum seeker feels safe - they have the right to pass through countries to reach the one they choose - established in the UNCHR

On rebuilding a life in Aus by choice do you have a legal way to enter? Because it’s unlikely you’d get in as a refugee. It’s the one country where just landing at the shore will get you removed with no entry.

@MyNameIsX- ok it doesn’t specifically say you can choose ‘safe for you’ but there are 2 parts that effectively do say this. The UNCHR uphold the right of safety for humans everywhere, or freedom from certain types of fear/persecution. Then there is the choice within international law as to where to seek refuge - specifically you will have no penalty for entering irregularly to seek refuge in any country that is a signatory to the 1951 Refugee Convention / the 1967 protocol. People will have a right to seek asylum in that country and have their claim heard and if accepted the right to remain with the freedom of that territory. This will not necessarily be the first country they reach after leaving their home country, or the first country that is a signatory to the Refugee Convention, but it will be one where they can be safe and one signed up to the Refugee Convention - simply put they ‘choose’ and can ‘choose’ to an extent the country in which they are safe. There are restrictions, but just passing through another country is not one of them.
This has been debated, reviewed and discussed in many arenas and areas, and was established for the U.K. in R v Uxbridge, though this was moderated lately the principle still holds weight here. Similarly other countries have looked at it and the EU try to take a whole EU approach at times.
It was recently discussed re Ukrainian refugees in the EU, who otherwise would have had to stay in Poland for example.