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Thread 4: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 09/07/2025 20:23

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Second article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

Third article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

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Fandango52 · 10/07/2025 14:26

Noshadelamp · 10/07/2025 14:21

I'm just thinking now that scene in the TSP where Moth earns them some money by busking and telling tales about something or other. I'm sure Raynor says she didn't know he had it in him and the scene was one of huge admiration for Moth.

Also , the weird theme of him being mistaken for Simon Armitage the Poet Laureate.

Maybe it's him throwing her under the bus all along.

I said in an earlier post that the only caveat to Sally being this terrible woman she's now being portrayed as for dishonesty, embezzlement, apparent selfishness at making poor Moth do this walk etc would be if she felt she needed to do it for her own safety or sense of survival.

What if we're all here blaming her and actually she's a victim also.

Or is that a stretch??

The Simon Armitage-lookalike stuff in the film was so weird and far-fetched 😂 there’s a bit in the film where a couple pass by them on the path and the guy in the couple says something like, ‘alright, Simon?’ I had no idea why he was calling him Simon, but then it became clearer in the later scenes. Is this stuff also in the book?

Merrymouse · 10/07/2025 14:27

Nameychangington · 10/07/2025 14:08

Very much this.

A consultant dealing with patients who have cruel degenerative illnesses shouldn't be going on record saying "when you hit rock bottom, the only way is up. That’s if you allow yourself to try". It's much too close to saying that people who get progressively worse just aren't trying hard enough.

People with serious conditions get told versions of that all the time - have you tried yoga?/you need to cut out sugar/ my cousin's hairdressers neighbour cured himself with citric acid you should do that. Posters on these threads have said how guilty they've felt that they haven't done what Moth apparently did and so maybe it's their fault they've as ill as they are. It's bad enough a book which it's now pretty clear is untrue put ill people in that position, but a consultant neurologist should be much more careful about the message he puts across.

People with CBD aren't unwell because they haven't tried to get better FFS.

It also shows a complete lack of understanding of the reality of living with a condition like this. You have to make realistic plans for the future. You have to explain the illness to children in a way that doesn’t obscure the truth so much that they lose faith in adults.

Fandango52 · 10/07/2025 14:29

HonoriaBulstrode · 10/07/2025 14:24

Before he moved to North Wales Tim Walker was alleged to be not just a plasterer but a master plasterer. Plasterers are always in demand & well paid. I wonder why he didn't persevere with his trade even part time to bring in some extra cash.

Possibly by the time he needed the cash he no longer had sufficient mobility/manual dexterity. You do need to have a good range of movement in your arms.

Given that, I’ve got no idea why they put a scene in the film showing Moth plastering the outhouse where their friend Polly put them up in exchange for a free place to stay. He looks really ill and is struggling to move in that scene, yet he’s still somehow able to do plastering.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 10/07/2025 14:32

Localres · 10/07/2025 12:45

actually, this isn’t true. (I’m a journalist/writer and by coincidence had legal training on defamation yesterday).

There is no legal “right to reply” before publication. it’s certainly best practice in journalism and something The Observer did in this case, but it’s not actually demanded by law. It’s different after publication when the person then has the right to reply to address factual inaccuracies and the paper has to print that if requested (though not necessarily in full if eg they sent a five page doc and it’s a lot of waffle).

That may be true but you kind of missed my real point. Which of those "rebuttals" would you have printed - the pedestrian "it all true" or the juicy "guided on the truth but only if they didn't print it"? Which of thjose makes a better point that they are hiding something, when hiding something is the thrust of the article?

EternalLodga · 10/07/2025 14:33

Noshadelamp · 10/07/2025 14:21

I'm just thinking now that scene in the TSP where Moth earns them some money by busking and telling tales about something or other. I'm sure Raynor says she didn't know he had it in him and the scene was one of huge admiration for Moth.

Also , the weird theme of him being mistaken for Simon Armitage the Poet Laureate.

Maybe it's him throwing her under the bus all along.

I said in an earlier post that the only caveat to Sally being this terrible woman she's now being portrayed as for dishonesty, embezzlement, apparent selfishness at making poor Moth do this walk etc would be if she felt she needed to do it for her own safety or sense of survival.

What if we're all here blaming her and actually she's a victim also.

Or is that a stretch??

Yes. It would make sense to write the story "as Sally" because

  1. The 2010s were basically the height of "kick-ass woman strikes out" stories. Would you rather read a true story from a woman like her, or a man with an illness? = much bigger chance of selling the book
  2. Its more gratifying to portray yourself in fiction from a third person perspective IMO. Also, telling the illness aspect from Sally's perspective makes it more relatable to readers.
  3. It gives them both a challenge and role in the story. If Moth just wrote in first person, then the character of Sally just becomes like a tagalong supporting role. This way, they are both on the quest
Catwith69lives · 10/07/2025 14:34

Yes it is, although the timelines are a bit strange. Simon Armitage walked from Minehead to Land's End from the 29 Aug to 17 Sept 2013. Sally and Tim Walker apparently started off from Minehead on the 6th Aug. When they reached Portheras Cove on the 13th September Raynor Winn stated that they had covered 243 miles and slept wild for 36 nights ( ie covering about 6.5 miles a day). Simon Armitage covered the same distance in 19 days (ie he was walking at twice the pace). Thus he was way behind the Walkers until St Ives. Therefore quite why anybody would have mistaken Moth for Simon Armitage is a bit of a mystery as their paths didn't really overlap until right at the end of his walk (he gave a reading in St Ives on the 14/15 Sept). The Walkers reached St Ives on the 12 Sept and saw posters in the town advertising Simon Armitage's poetry reading. I'm not saying the cases of mistaken identity didn't happen, but it does strike me as a bit strange.

EternalLodga · 10/07/2025 14:35

Fandango52 · 10/07/2025 14:15

This is a really interesting point about the pattern in the books and of the company founders’ profiles. I still don’t understand though how that suggests Moth wrote the books?

Well, the publishing company lists three men in the About Us section which is unusual in a female dominated industry.
The publishing company also lists Moth as the director.
And the book by "Izzy" features three male protagonists which is unusual for a female writer.

It just feels quite male to me.

Lunde · 10/07/2025 14:37

EternalLodga · 10/07/2025 14:06

I mean the pattern is always the same:

The publishing company was founded by three male friends, two ramblers and a finance guy.

Izzy's book is about three men, two ramblers and a finance guy.

Sally's story is about two ramblers (her and Moth) and a finance guy (Cooper).

My completely unfounded gut belief is that Moth wrote all the books. I dont know why they would have Sally pose as the author though.

Perhaps to avoid questions about his health condition? Interviewers might ask direct questions but it's harder to do if she does all the interviews.

Localres · 10/07/2025 14:37

PhilippaGeorgiou · 10/07/2025 14:32

That may be true but you kind of missed my real point. Which of those "rebuttals" would you have printed - the pedestrian "it all true" or the juicy "guided on the truth but only if they didn't print it"? Which of thjose makes a better point that they are hiding something, when hiding something is the thrust of the article?

Well, neither! You would print a correction or right to reply on something that was demonstrably untrue. Which, well… waiting for that! you are right that it’s a ridiculous thing for her to say in the first place and shows a somewhat bizarre misunderstanding of journalism. But there is plenty of that going round 😬 I was really just “correcting” (sorry that sounds a bit patronising / teacher, can’t think of a better word it’s too hot) the legal understanding

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 10/07/2025 14:41

My completely unfounded gut belief is that Moth wrote all the books. I dont know why they would have Sally pose as the author though.

The publishing company probably thought the narrative of the book would appeal more to women is it was written by one. Hearts and minds and all that guff.

Bruisername · 10/07/2025 14:42

It could just be a joint effort. I wouldn’t find that so odd tbf

User14March · 10/07/2025 14:44

Noshadelamp · 10/07/2025 14:24

Also that weird story about the rich history who fed them lasagna and Moth was in a room with younger women giving him massages or something. Such a weird story, but makes more sense as a covert flex if written by a man.

Three gorgeous blondes that made Raynor jealous, with the ethereal beauty she once had, she says. A multi millionaire, ‘Grant’, lures them there with his last ice-cream van resource, rhubarb-flavoured lollies. Why was he driving an ice-cream van? Was he also ‘justified & ancient’. Ah! But really this was all a cover as Grant had a sleek 4x4 hidden in the hedge. When Raynor had drunk all the water in the taps, & opened her mouth to top up on water in the shower….

Moth is plied with beer & rich lasagne by an attentive ‘stunning’ blonde with swishy hair…They name him ‘Simon’ & beauteous maidens , two no less (!) lead him to the massage parlour. No admittance for jealous Raynor..Isn’t this how soft porn begins? He tells her ‘the girls I thought had very artistic hands’. My bad, no they thought HE had very ‘artistic hands’…’So SIMON’ says Raynor, ‘what happened in the other room’?! ‘What happens in the orchard stays in the orchard’ says ‘Simon’…Angela Carter meets…Hans C Anderson…meets…?

EternalLodga · 10/07/2025 14:46

Yeah, i havent even read the book but that just consolidates my belief. What woman would bother lingering on that ancedote in her own memoir?

teksquad · 10/07/2025 14:49

where are they supposed to have come from before moving to Wales?

Fandango52 · 10/07/2025 14:50

EternalLodga · 10/07/2025 14:46

Yeah, i havent even read the book but that just consolidates my belief. What woman would bother lingering on that ancedote in her own memoir?

I’m not sure - partly because I haven’t read the book yet - but I wonder if it’s included for comic value? Not sure though.

Catwith69lives · 10/07/2025 14:51

To be fair, Grant didn't own the ice cream van. He merely told Ray and Moth that there was an ice cream van "up the road" and then offered to drive them back to his rented farmhouse 20 mins away for lasagne, beer and a massage!

EternalLodga · 10/07/2025 14:51

I really want a rhubarb ice lolly now

FurryHappyKittens · 10/07/2025 14:53

I wonder if it was just Tim who was mistaken for Simon Armitage, or if it happened to every other middle aged man walking. Since he doesn't look anything like SA it should have done.

But I think it was made up. Sally probably discovered SA had been walking at the same time and decided to put it in.

Noshadelamp · 10/07/2025 14:56

User14March · 10/07/2025 14:44

Three gorgeous blondes that made Raynor jealous, with the ethereal beauty she once had, she says. A multi millionaire, ‘Grant’, lures them there with his last ice-cream van resource, rhubarb-flavoured lollies. Why was he driving an ice-cream van? Was he also ‘justified & ancient’. Ah! But really this was all a cover as Grant had a sleek 4x4 hidden in the hedge. When Raynor had drunk all the water in the taps, & opened her mouth to top up on water in the shower….

Moth is plied with beer & rich lasagne by an attentive ‘stunning’ blonde with swishy hair…They name him ‘Simon’ & beauteous maidens , two no less (!) lead him to the massage parlour. No admittance for jealous Raynor..Isn’t this how soft porn begins? He tells her ‘the girls I thought had very artistic hands’. My bad, no they thought HE had very ‘artistic hands’…’So SIMON’ says Raynor, ‘what happened in the other room’?! ‘What happens in the orchard stays in the orchard’ says ‘Simon’…Angela Carter meets…Hans C Anderson…meets…?

Yes, very male gaze coded.

Which could come from a woman with internalised misogyny but it was just so weird and unlikely.

User14March · 10/07/2025 14:56

Catwith69lives · 10/07/2025 14:51

To be fair, Grant didn't own the ice cream van. He merely told Ray and Moth that there was an ice cream van "up the road" and then offered to drive them back to his rented farmhouse 20 mins away for lasagne, beer and a massage!

Ah - I did wonder, misread! Poss the parody account could inc this :) Gravelly Grant does seemingly come from nowhere.

MrsKypp · 10/07/2025 14:58

Merrymouse · 10/07/2025 14:27

It also shows a complete lack of understanding of the reality of living with a condition like this. You have to make realistic plans for the future. You have to explain the illness to children in a way that doesn’t obscure the truth so much that they lose faith in adults.

Couldn't agree more with you @Nameychangington and @Merrymouse

My oncologist wasn't the most empathetic, but at least when I said I was struggling with fear she advised getting anti-depressants from my GP. I can't imagine the feeling I'd have had if she'd minimised it or blamed me for not trying hard enough.

When you hit rock bottom it isn't true the only way is up. It sounds so superficial it's disappointing a neurologist is thinking that way. It could possibly apply to something you will recover from, a temporary non-life threatening illness, but not CBD or eg cancer with poor prognosis.

But then again, Moth doesn't seem to have a serious life-threatening disease does he!

TheTwoOfUs · 10/07/2025 15:00

EternalLodga · 10/07/2025 13:37

You can hear Moth talk here (skip to 1:40):

Thank you. He sounds quite different to Raynor. But perhaps grew up somewhere else? He was presumably living in Melton when they met at college and she was still living at home, and it sounds as if his family must also have been local-ish, as on one of their early trips to Scotland described in The Wild Silence, they are pretending to her parents that they're going on holiday with his parents, and his dad drops them to the train.

User14March · 10/07/2025 15:00

Noshadelamp · 10/07/2025 14:56

Yes, very male gaze coded.

Which could come from a woman with internalised misogyny but it was just so weird and unlikely.

I’d go into the massage room with my beer if her, the ‘nanny’ rubbing oil into his feet etc whilst the PA rubbed his tense shoulders… Sounds a bit keys in bowl in middle of table & Penthouse 1985.

ThatFluentHedgehog · 10/07/2025 15:02

EternalLodga · 10/07/2025 12:11

There is also a woman called Karen Smith (see pic)

I expect Karen Smith is a made up name for the purpose of SM interactions. It's not a particularly inspired pseudonym, unlike there others, but perhaps that what they imagined someone working for them would be called.

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