To think the BMA have misjudged with another doctor's strike?

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Last year they got more than anyone else in the NHS along with an improved deal. Nurses and other AHPs received lower rises.

BMA have just announced another 'resident' doctor strike continuing to chase pay restoration to 2008 levels.

Having just had the major win with changes to IMG prioritisation and the clamp-down on PAs it feels a bit tone-deaf and I can't see Streeting going for it.

@TizerorFizz you seriously don’t understand medicine ! Or loans.

Loan starts off at about .£80,000. 7% interest is added so you don’t start paying down capital until on over £100,000. Interest is compounded so loan just keeps on increasing. Repayment over 30 years is approx £250,000 when the remaining loan is paid off. Does that help ?

Yes, like all students.

I’m obviously not going to link to my own department as we only have ten consultants so it would be rather outing, but we recruit regularly (ironically usually because our JCFs take up IMT training posts). So if he sets an alert for “renal JCF” on nhs jobs he will see our jobs when they come up.

I’d suggest any FY2 who wants to work in IMT2 looks at smaller specialties like renal, haem etc - we don’t generally expect prior experience at JCF level (super-competitive group 2 specialties like dermatology often do, but group 1 specialties generally don’t).

@TizerorFizz so you now advocate closing all UK medical schools as it’s more efficient to recruit from abroad ?

If resident doctors do not understand that they need taxpayers onside because we support them with salary and handsome benefits, perhaps that goes a long way to explaining the threatened strike action and resulting public alienation.

@LemondrizzleShark thank you. Didn’t expect you to name dept 😊. We just couldn’t find a renal job on searching. He’s having another look. He actually wants to do IMT !

@poetryandwine doctors are tax payers too so support themselves. V v weird take on it. You seem to imply that if you don’t support their actions they shouldn’t be paid ? They aren’t if they strike.

It closed mid June (as I mentioned, I have finished shortlisting), so you may not be able to see it now. We will have more recruitment rounds coming up though.

@poetryandwine sorry, what are these handsome benefits ? Pension not all that great now and won’t be seen for another 40 years. So what lovely benefits do they get ? Constant rotations, no parking, hard to get time off so miss family weddings, work Xmas day v often ? Those benefits ?

@LemondrizzleShark thank you. He’s got a search alert on now- says he’s v grateful for advice as was looking for IMT labelled jobs. Maybe next time you’ll get him - he’s v lovely

Public employees are supported by the taxpayers. We all support NHS employees.

In accepted English usage, someone is self supporting if they do not require money from anyone else. Ie no salary etc. I do not believe many F2s are in that position.

Oh that is frustrating! Because we would definitely have interviewed him. Tell him to set an alert on nhs jobs.

The best pensions of any UK public sector employees! Golden. So what if they are not relevant until retirement - that’s when they are needed.

@LemondrizzleShark he has. He had so many alerts so can apply as soon as jobs appear. They close so quickly sometimes. Thanks for the advice !

The other bit of advice I’d give him (and any other doctor who wants to do IMT and who wasn’t successful last year) is to speak to his local IMT local lead.

Each hospital will have at least one, who manages local IMT implementation, is involved in IMT recruitment, and who also knows about local JCF opportunities.

If he doesn’t know who his local lead is, his postgrad centre or foundation lead will. We are very approachable and happy to offer guidance (and often do mock interviews etc).

@poetryandwine oh dear, again v out of touch. Current older consultants will get a lovely pension, younger ones won’t. Rules have changed, and v likely will change again in the next 40 years. There are many better pensions out there, civil service being one of them. Also ‘supported’ by the tax payer.

You said benefits ? Please name the others ?

@LemondrizzleShark thank you. He has done that and they tried to make a job for him but the funding was cut. His lead has been wonderful and reached out to others locally but just no money for the jobs this year.

He didn’t have enough points for an interview - was 1 short annoyingly.

I’ve never heard a salary called support before 😂. Thought it was a wage for doing a job.

Today I have supported a hairdresser and a plumber (v expensive support !).

And this makes perfect sense to me.

Expand the search to include clinical fellow, junior clinical fellow, SHO and trust grade. Not every single job will be suitable, but there are so many names for locally employed doctors that you really have to include all of the terms and whittle down.

Also, unless it’s clearly a registrar-level post, just apply even if he doesn’t meet all of the desirable criteria - there is often flexibility on experience etc if the applicant pool isn’t amazing (and generally it isn’t these days).

@mumsneedwine Depends on the repayment period! Not everyone pays over 30 years. Also you assume full time working for 30 years. Not everyone does this either. It’s the same for all though but look at those amazing pensions! Factor that mostly state paid for benefit in too! Also if dc don’t like the loan scheme, don’t do the degree! It doesn’t seem to stop the degree being popular though.

The pension is still the best. All schemes have contracted so one must measure it against the existing options. 1/54 per year of service at average career earnings, DB - what’s not to salivate over? Especially when most of those earnings are over £100K pa. Anyone thinking otherwise does not know the real world.

Benefits like study leave, a study allowance, NHS discounts, a good AL scheme….. it all adds up.

Again those young medical research scientists who are, gently, at least equally talented, are just getting on with their vocation with far less reward.

Oh bless you. Not the best, many public service ones are better (civil service, MPs, Police, Army). Many private are even better. And it’s sending at a 9-12.5% employee contribution.

NHS discounts 😂😂😂 so blue light card is now part of remuneration. All those 10% off Morrisons do add up. Study leave (usually cancelled), study allowance (what’s that - they pay for their own exams), AL (9 days per rotation in foundation, can’t be used on any day but a normal one, v often hard to get 5 days together). AL for everyone else is v hard to take when you need it as often booked a year in advance by others - and doctors don’t know where they’ll be in 12 months v often.

Really. Benefits

@TizerorFizz ah the voice of privilege appears, ‘don’t like the loan don’t do the degree’. So only the wealthy can apply.

Pension not all that now. It shows how bad doctors pay is when the only good thing they get is a pension - that they pay for themselves too.