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Michael Jackson was a paedophile. Why does the local school choose one of his songs for the kids to perform to?

284 replies

P0d · 05/07/2025 08:36

I also have a friend whose little boy has learnt all his moves and she puts MJ on for him to dance to.

I don’t understand, hearing his music makes me feel sick.

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Scillygirlz · 05/07/2025 11:25

NooNakedJacuzziness · 05/07/2025 11:05

Paul McCartney was only 21 when he wrote it though

A 21 year old in a band sleeping with a 17 year old fan would get absolutely massacred on here.

P0d · 05/07/2025 11:26

SnowFrogJelly · 05/07/2025 11:24

Was it ever proved that he was a peadophile? He was very misguided after a difficult childhood

Misguided 😂🤣

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x2boys · 05/07/2025 11:27

OldMcDonaldHadABigMac · 05/07/2025 11:19

Perhaps because you can't just go labelling someone a paedophile following unfounded accusations.

Well they are not really unfounded are they he openly admitted to sharing his bed with young children he also paid some
Of the parents of the children he allegedly abused a lot of money to mske the allegations go away.

WhereOnEarthIsMyPlanet · 05/07/2025 11:27

Scillygirlz · 05/07/2025 11:25

A 21 year old in a band sleeping with a 17 year old fan would get absolutely massacred on here.

They wouldn’t be a paedophile though.

PersephoneSeethes · 05/07/2025 11:28

I can’t watch or even listen to Johnny Depp after that court case circus/performance . It is visceral revulsion. My father mocked and undermined my mother like that in front of us as children with a similar jokey smirk.

If the children want to watch anything with him in it, they can do it at their friend’s places.

x2boys · 05/07/2025 11:29

Scillygirlz · 05/07/2025 11:25

A 21 year old in a band sleeping with a 17 year old fan would get absolutely massacred on here.

If you can't see the difference with a 21_year old being attracted to a 17 year old
and an adult male,being attracted to.a five year-old i,well I don't know what to.say

ChessorBuckaroo · 05/07/2025 11:29

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 05/07/2025 11:00

His music isn't particularly good anyway.

Very little pop music is.

Edited

Great video on this uploaded by a music producer 10 days ago which has generated millions of hits.

The failed Disney singer Sabrina Carpenter is utter gash. And most of today's pop "artists" are in the same boat. Taylor Swift another fraud highlighted in the video. Commitees of songwriters, and groups of producers, make the song, then give it to the marketable individual who performs it, who then gets credit.

When you see three/four songwriters of a song, which includes the performer of it (Swift for example), the bulk is written by the others, the performer maybe changes a line she/he didn't like, and with minimal input is a co-writer.

Freddie Mercury sitting at a piano writing Bohemian Rhapsody, those days are long gone. Coldplay's best stuff was in their first decade, which is also the decade in which they wrote their own stuff. They too have joined the one big pool of artists who get songs written by a committee which is why songs all sound generic and shite.

There are no stars in today's music as individuality has gone. It's all pre packaged shite written and produced by a pool of songwriters and producers.

It's now McMusic.

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l93JOUJZEoA

whackamole666 · 05/07/2025 11:31

John Lennon was a nasty thug, he beat women. Beatles haven't done badly.

Glitterybee · 05/07/2025 11:31

I listen to his music. I’m not a super fan or anything but he had some good tunes….

But then I don’t believe he was a pedo.

GreenGully · 05/07/2025 11:32

Being a paedo doesn't render his much loved music shit all of a sudden. I don't think erasure of something good because the person who created it did something bad is helpful in any circumstance. It is like the tearing down of statues.

FYI I'm not a Jackson fan and I do think he was a paedo.

Scillygirlz · 05/07/2025 11:33

x2boys · 05/07/2025 11:29

If you can't see the difference with a 21_year old being attracted to a 17 year old
and an adult male,being attracted to.a five year-old i,well I don't know what to.say

Of course I can see the difference. But both would draw criticism, and my question all along is ‘Where do we draw the line?’

2021x · 05/07/2025 11:33

Dontlletmedownbruce · 05/07/2025 11:18

Such a good point @TempestTost

If the posters here found out that Steve Jobs was deeply immoral in whatever way, would they dispose of their I phones in anger? I think not. What about the brain behind the tech, if the person who developed the algorithm to refine searches for online shopping (if such a thing exists, I'm not a tech person) should we cease all online shopping? No, because people suit themselves. They might get upset by MJ music that they don't like anyway but they will purchase a brand that uses child labour or unsafe practices because it suits them.

How far do you take moral judgement? If one person slept in a bed with little boys but didn't physically harm them, is he better or worse than the man who coerced a vulnerable 18 yr old to have sex? Is someone who has racist views privately against a particular race but does not act upon them better or worse than someone who never employs people or engages with from a particular race yet has never articulated racism. Is someone who beats their wife better or worse than someone who beats their girlfriends teenage son?

You are over thinking it, to make it OK for people to listen to his music.

I dont judge people who listen to his music, but I do judge people who use over inflated arguments to justify it, while ignoring the abuse.

GreenGully · 05/07/2025 11:34

Scillygirlz · 05/07/2025 11:33

Of course I can see the difference. But both would draw criticism, and my question all along is ‘Where do we draw the line?’

The legislation that is put in place to protect minors is where we draw the line. Aged 16 for consent.

x2boys · 05/07/2025 11:36

Scillygirlz · 05/07/2025 11:33

Of course I can see the difference. But both would draw criticism, and my question all along is ‘Where do we draw the line?’

Well.for a start the first one might be questionable but very much legal
The other is illegal for very good reason

Comet33 · 05/07/2025 11:38

I've come to the conclusion recently that when it comes to separating the art from the artist, individuals must go with what feels most comfortable to them. For most artists, society will not reach a consensus.

MJ's music is tainted for me, in light of the allegations. I can't listen to any of his songs without them coming to mind, so I choose not to. If I worked in a school, I would think twice before using his music in lessons/performances and would err on the side of caution.

Roald Dahl was not only a raging anti-semite but also treated his wife terribly. He amended editions of his works to remove anti semitic references and I grew up with great affection from his stories, so I probably wouldn't deny my children them.

Bowie slept with underage girls, making him a rapist, and yet he seems to be universally loved, even by those same girls. I don't choose to listen to his music either.

Einstein and other incredible scientists often took credit for work their wives produced...

Like others have pointed out, where do you draw the line? I have decided that if a piece of art, whatever the medium, makes me uncomfortable because I cannot separate the artist from their work, I won't engage with it.

I try not to judge others who do still enjoy MJ or Bowie (or...etc) because I recognise that with other artists I can separate them from their art.

But for someone as contentious as MJ, I would probably avoid using his music in schools.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 05/07/2025 11:39

P0d · 05/07/2025 08:39

But that child will grow up and realise mummy was making him dance to paedo songs

That is just an insane statement. I have never liked him, I don't like his music, I think he was weird, but that is not the same thing as a paedophile. He was convicted of nothing.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 05/07/2025 11:40

SnowFrogJelly · 05/07/2025 11:22

Because his songs are brilliant

Erm.
No, they're not.
They're just pop music which can never be labeled as "brilliant" FGS.

DrowningInSyrup · 05/07/2025 11:40

dontcomeatme · 05/07/2025 08:46

What about artists who were drug addicts, cheaters or abusers? Where do you draw the line? There is evidence of Brad Pitt verbally, emotionally and physically abusing his wife and children due to a drug addiction. Will you not allow your child to watch any movie with him in? MJ wasn't convicted. Plus, I don't think kids would really care that they danced to his song.

I draw the line at paedophiles. I don't care whether he was convicted or not, money talks and he blatantly was.

Discodance1988 · 05/07/2025 11:50

boxcutter12 · 05/07/2025 09:47

I find it really jarring when his songs come on eg Radio 2. It's clear that he was a paedophile. I don't want to hear his music. I turn it off when it comes on. It really surprises me that it is routinely played by the BBC.

Why are you shocked that the biggest peado ring in the UK plays songs by pedophiles?

TryingToBeHelpful267 · 05/07/2025 11:50

Yeah it’s weird not many people still watch programs with saville but they love mj’s music 🤷🏻‍♀️

it’s a shame he had some funky songs but I’m with you he makes me feel sick and the weird “he was never convicted” defence makes me laugh, neither was saville but they all believe it about him. People are weird.

Aptapt · 05/07/2025 11:53

P0d · 05/07/2025 08:39

But that child will grow up and realise mummy was making him dance to paedo songs

But he wasn't convicted, so, technically he is not a paedo, no matter what inferences you may wish to draw from his actions. He may have done things that your friends might not usually do, that doesn't make him a paedo though

x2boys · 05/07/2025 11:57

Aptapt · 05/07/2025 11:53

But he wasn't convicted, so, technically he is not a paedo, no matter what inferences you may wish to draw from his actions. He may have done things that your friends might not usually do, that doesn't make him a paedo though

Well neither was Jimmy Saville

But I don't see anyone arguing he wasn't a,paedophile and a prolific abuser of vulnerable adults.

Discodance1988 · 05/07/2025 12:02

Also the peado sympathisers on this thread are something else....

'He wasn't convicted' doesn't mean anything does it?

Look in the papers or listen to your friends who were abused by their fathers/male relative/male friend etc, how many of those abusers where convicted?? Those abusers certainly didn't have the money or the power MJ and his team had and they still got away with it so imagine how easy it was for MJ to make his pedophilic behaviour and actions disappear.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 05/07/2025 12:02

x2boys · 05/07/2025 11:57

Well neither was Jimmy Saville

But I don't see anyone arguing he wasn't a,paedophile and a prolific abuser of vulnerable adults.

Well said!

PlumLemur · 05/07/2025 12:03

whackamole666 · 05/07/2025 11:31

John Lennon was a nasty thug, he beat women. Beatles haven't done badly.

So was Bob Marley and yet he spread messages of love towards women.

They’re all at it, all of them. Artists, writers, musicians.

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