to not understand Christians who have sex/live together before marriage then marry in church?

[onlytwo]

Posting here because I am genuinely confused and not trying to offend anyone.

I keep seeing couples who describe themselves as Christians who have been living together for years, sometimes with kids, then they get married in church with all the religious vows etc. I thought one of the key Christian teachings is no sex before marriage yet it seems really common that people ignore that part but still have a big church wedding.

AIBU to think it is hypocritical?

I'm glad that the clergy, some of them at least, found this teaching:
Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you.

I wish more Christians did.

Once again, I haven’t sworn at anyone. I quoted @PlumLemur and @L0bstersLass who both swore.

If you have any screenshots of me swearing (not quoting), then do post them.

Otherwise I expect you to take responsibility and apologise to me for lying and to call out @PlumLemur and @L0bstersLass for swearing, since you were the one who raised swearing as an issue.

I‘m not lying. I stand by what I said. You chose to engage first, it’s passive aggressive.

Yes, I agree you are passive aggressive.

I’m not surprised you can’t interpret scripture, given you can’t even work out in your head who posted what.

That’s quite an ancient view of Christianity. All walks of life including religion have traditional views that over time have been modified. This being one of them. Most religions have orthodox and modern themes, think gender, alcohol, Same sex marriages, divorce and marrying again after divorce.

I don’t need post screenshots, everyone can see the thread. I don’t need to apologise either, I know passive aggressive comments when I see it.

You can’t post screenshots because you’re lying.

You’re basically saying it’s fine for people you agree with to say the word ‘fuck’ but if someone you disagree with quotes that person saying ‘fuck’, then they are ‘vulgar’.

And THAT, is the definition of hypocrisy.

DH’s first wife is a strict Catholic. No sex before they married, but once they married she had sex with lots of husbands. After their divorce all of her partners left their wives for her.

That is highly relevant to this discussion, thank you.

Maybe time to leave the thread, it’s clearly getting a bit too much. You’re coming across rather aggressive. It seems you lack the comprehension to understand how different Christians interpret the bible, something you’ll have to figure out on yourself. I’m not a Christian why on earth would I personally need to interpret scripture? I’m not narrow minded that I can’t understand that different groups will view the bible differently.

again @onlytwo Why do you care?

Did you not think you were being aggressive when you were repeatedly lying that I swore?

I agree it is time for you to leave the thread though. Go well.

Yes swearing is vulgar. You’re assuming I agree with those posters, because I have a different opinion to you and Op. I presented many points to op, It’s called being objective.

You did swear, you admitted that. Even if you “quoted” another poster you still swore.

Quoting a poster who swore is not swearing. I can’t admit to something I didn’t do that. And you can’t post screenshots because you’re keep lying.

And you still haven’t explained why you didn’t call out the people who swore for swearing, and instead attacked me for quoting them.

Still waiting…

Why is ok for some to pick and choose and not others?

Ah yes of course, my apologies.

I think the key difference many Christians point to is whether a teaching is considered ceremonial (laws given specifically to ancient Israel, like dietary restrictions) or moral (principles about how to live that are meant to apply to everyone, everywhere, for all time).

Of course it is, pretty ridiculous to say otherwise or you wouldn’t have made such a fuss to try and justify it. Wait all you want, I’m not apologising. Very concerning how controlling you are. Yikes.

But you do agree with @PlumLemur . And not only did you not call her out on her swearing, here is a screenshot of you agreeing with her after her post in which she swore.

Double standards much?

Ummm the bible? Maybe have a read of it.

Ive listened to quite a lot of sermons re sex within and not before marriage. It was a key feature of our young peoples groups when I was a teen too.

@onlytwowhere does Jesus specifically say that pre marital sex is a sin ? There is a Greek word for it “porneia” that is translated as fornication (which has it’s origins in latin and it referred to sex with prostitutes or illicit sex ) or sexual immorality.

The no premarital sex is an issue of interpretation, translation , word development and most importantly, human influence.

🤣

I think you must be winding me up, no one can be this obtuse.

So people you agree with can swear but I can’t quote them? Ok. 😂

I was brought up a Christian and I never understood why the opinion of a Roman like St. Paul was more important than the teachings of Christ

Isn’t this exactly what we are saying though? That interpretations have crept in to allow for leniency in modern times.

There certainly was a time in history where there would have been no room for interpretation and perhaps in biblical times the act of sex with your life partner would equal marriage but I’m not sure a women would have left her parental home to live with a man not considered her ‘husband’…