To think that even this horrendous tragedy won't change America's stance on climate change?

[AnnaQuayInTheUk]

I'm just reading about the dreadful flash flood in Texas and all those poor little girls who have drowned. So sad.

But, just as endless school shootings make no difference to America's attitude towards guns, I don't think this will change many people's minds - and especially Trump's - on climate change. Deniers will continue to argue that flash floods have always happened, as have wildfires, without any recognition that the frequency and intensity of these weather events are affected by human driven climate change.

So
YABU. - this will be a wake up call for the US government
YANBU - the US will still refuse to work towards carbon reduction/net zero

When eco systems keep getting destroyed then the imbalance shows up everywhere.
Water that would normally be soaked up by the earth doesn't and runs off into rivers causing them to over spill and then someone calls them flood plains.
Take this country for example. 500 years ago we had a natural habitat with indigenous forest with wild boar, wolves and deer. Everyone say the landscape looks beautiful, but in truth Scotland for example is bare compared to what it used to be. Just one tiny part of this planet. Take into account all the other ecosystems destroyed. The mississippi delta for one. The panama canal area, The lakes that have disappeared to grow cotton to produce the denim jeans you're wearing. Think about it, all those ecosystems gone!! How do you think nature is going to react and try to rebalance?

Of course it won't. The US has tipped over from extremely right wing but relatively sane to fascist and utterly batshit.

Yes voting in people who will act.

It isn’t the only action to take, but it helps.

This is a level of naivity which is seriously demoralising

I always quote this book on threads like this, but the people least likely to believe climate change is affecting their lives are the ones who suffer the most loss. Because you would have to accept that you cannot rebuild your home and life and you would have to migrate to a new place to avoid danger. There is a town on New Jersey where they have been decimated by hurricane four or five times, and they just keep rebuilding.

https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/dont-even-think-about-it-9781632861023/

I've been reading about catastrophic floods in many parts of the world for decades now. Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, and so on.

Is it different because it happens in the US?

Not all people but brown people's lives don't hold the same value as others.
The Air India accident showed that with the brutal comments on sm.

Climate change is a load of nonsense.

The terrain is on prehistoric sea beds and the land is limestone with a couple of inches of top soil.

Flash floods are common and this was a bad one for humans because the camp was built right in the creek bed off the river and planning permission should never been granted for a camp to built there.

Your first sentence is wrong but I suspect the rest of your post is spot on.

What makes you think every tragedy is down to climate change and not poor town planning. And even if it is down to climate change, presumably you think the answer is giving away billions of tax dollars with accountability to Ponzi schemes and corrupt ventures supported by the politicians. Because that’s how the money is spent.

There is zero chance of significant change in US public attitudes to climate change.

America was built on cheap, abundant energy and is still heavily dependent on it. Being able to afford to buy & run large, powerful, comfortable cars is what makes driving America’s long distances possible. Cheap flights make it possible to travel around that vast country quickly & easily. Cheap heating makes life comfortable in the snow belt in winter. Cheap aircon makes life comfortable in the sub-tropical south & arid deserts of the south-west in summer.

Climate change makes such events more likely.
If you have a location that is prone to flooding, then climate change is going to increase the chances of that event happening.

We can't say that this event was down to climate change - but climate change does increase the chances of these events happening.

I agree there is a climate change issue generally but that article outlines how bad the area is for flash floods.

And unfortunately climate change is going to increase the chances of such flash floods happening - which in an area that is known for flash floods is not good news.

So are we just not meant live anywhere in the US? 🤣. Are supposed to all pile in to one area that doesn’t need any of these things? Can you please point out where exactly that is?

umm… and how does one explain the settling of these areas before central heating and air conditioning was invented?

I guess it was pretty uncomfortable with fewer people living there.

Of course with climate change and the potential for hotter summers, I guess we are going to need more air conditioning with the subsequent energy demands.

an event of this magnitude hasn’t happened there since 1987. It’s not proving your point

I think it's been mentioned already, but there's a big chance that some dodgy planning applications got the nod with a few brown envelopes - for an area very vulnerable to flooding and where kids would gather.

That has nothing to do with climate change, but a lot to do with greed and lack of morals.

Do you think that climate change is going to increase the chances of more violent weather events such as heavy rain and storms, leading to flash flooding?

Do you think that climate change increases the chances of such events?

Flash flooding is not a new phenomenon anywhere. Granting building permissions on such vulnerable sites is a cause for concern though.

That's not what I said.

Clearly granting permission to build on an area where flash flooding takes place is a cause for concern.

Flash flooding is not new.

However - climate change increases the chances of flash flooding events.

It does not mean that this event was caused by climate change
However, climate change does increase the chances of such events happening.

Wildfires are not new
But drier conditions caused by a warmer climate increases the chances of wild fires

The same goes for other more extreme weather events.

The US, with its massive energy consumption, pollution, use of plastic throwaway plates, roasting dishes, cups, glasses and cutlery and much more as the norm, is a world leader in doing nothing about it. Similar for China, Africa, India and elsewhere, so I'm sceptical about the global approach TBH. It seems lacklustre at best, and lip service at worst. But I live in hope.

We on the other hand are recycling tin cans, plastic and cardboard boxes. Hope that helps turn the ship around.

This is a shill ⬆️

They work for the oil and gas industry and other vested interests.

They try to persuade the public that it is all too late, and they can’t make a difference.

Absolutely we can.