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To think it really is a man's world?

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TreatTreat · 04/07/2025 16:22

We all know it is, but itv1 confirmed it even more for me today by calling the Euros tournament the 'women's euro tournament'. TV stations sure as hell don't introduce men's tournaments with their gender in the introduction.

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Catiette · 13/07/2025 10:03

Again, there's so much I could challenge here, but there's no point. Just two examples to sum up why, then I'm back to my coffee for good this time. I'm glad you're still enjoying the battle, but it's coming across to me as a little Hiroo Onoda, so I'm leaving it here now. I won't be back.

used to be previously based on the average male dimensions

This is wrong. It's not simply - or even primarily - about dimensions. I've explained this several times, and it's made clear in the 300- thoroughly researched pages you're dismissing. If I remember rightly, these pages also address the "counter-arguments" you're relying on from anon. on the internet and a half-remembered radio interview (ETA - NB. may not be remembering rightly, and friend has borrowed my copy so can't check - acknowledging fallibility, again, important).

At any rate, either you're not reading my posts properly, or you're not understanding them.

Re: "abusive". Your words: "That's just cos you're obviously a tool & can't contribute to the debate without trying to get personal. So right back at you!!"

I've resisted anything as direct as this throughout. It's been difficult. And that previous sentence is as close to "abusive" as I've come.

I'm in the cafe with my coffee, and am planning to stay that way. Once again, I wish you well.

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 13/07/2025 10:58

You do remember correctly @Catiettethe book is balanced and draws upon a wide range of peer reviewed research as well as official data and statistics.
It’s not a ‘man bashing’ book and often points out that many of the issues don’t come about because men are purposely trying to exclude women but that they are historical practices or oversights. The book also address how things are changing and improving.

KirriIrry · 13/07/2025 22:21

ThatDaringEagle · 11/07/2025 21:51

I'm not sure what you're getting at tbh, it appears that the main reasons women are sadly more likely to get more seriously injured or die when they are in collisions is because they generally drive smaller & lighter vehicles, and that they are not as physically robust as men on average.

However invisible women appears to try to imply that the main reason is that the average crash test dummy was more closely based on the average man I.e. 5'9" & 75kg & hence cars were/ are designed to keep the average man safer. This now looks like it's total bollocks.... so I've decided that for myself, based on the facts & the expert opinion by a poster who worked in the sector, as that's my perogative frankly!!

First off, if it is probable/demonstrable that women are more likely to be injured in car crashes because their bodies are less robust than males - surely that’s something to factor in to safely features and testing. You seem to be suggesting that shrugging shoulders and saying ‘oh well, can’t be helped’ is a reasonable response to that.
Secondly, you haven’t read the book. You have no idea if the author appears to imply anything - it may well be clearly and rigorously considered as part of their research. You wouldn’t know, you haven’t read it.
The smaller, lighter vehicles thing could well be a factor, and is presumably something both male and female drivers can consider when choosing such a car, but if they are more likely to be driven by women then perhaps their safety features should be tested to the average female body, rather than a man’s.

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