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Iwishicouldflyhigh · 04/07/2025 11:28

Heavy hints that taxes will rise in the next Budget after the recent climb down (as the ‘taxes won’t rise again’ was based on a 5 billion saving in benefits).

I can’t lie, I’m so pissed off about this. I don’t think anyone wants to see someone who is genuinely unable to work to be further penalised, but we all know there are thousands of people who could work but don’t.

this country is going to absolute shit . We pay more and more for less and less.

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Spartahori · 05/07/2025 13:16

EasternStandard · 05/07/2025 12:06

When people post they want others to pay more tax what income levels or taxes are you thinking of?

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Just a little bit more than the poster is ever likely to earn obviously.

Spartahori · 05/07/2025 13:18

Lifeofthepartay · 05/07/2025 13:09

I am talking specifically about tax avoidance no tax evasion, better legislation is needed but government won't throw their pals under the bus by making the pay taxes. Not sure how prevalent is tax evasion in small businesses, tbh I think I less and less businesses take cash these days. Tax avoidance is definitely higher...

By better legislation what do you mean? How do you think Trump might change the tariffs the UK will face when we introduce legislation which specifically hits Amazon and Google. Because this has been tried before, it was certainly not pretty at all, and it certainly reduced the prosperity of the country.

kerstina · 05/07/2025 13:20

crimsonlake · 04/07/2025 12:14

As someone who works in a nursing home as an activity coordinator I agree the NHS should stop spending money on people who have no quality of life whatsoever. It is simply prolonging their lives for what end, it is simply dragging out the inevitable.

As much as I agree with this statement if it was for myself . I think you have to respect an individuals choice . My Mum has severe dementia and recently had an acute infection ,we were told to expect the worse but with strong antibiotics and a week in hospital she was released back to her care home. The dr rang me the week after she was released regarding the respect form and DNR . As much as I don’t want to let her go I think she has no quality of life and is suffering. I don’t want her to be resuscitated and neither would she have wanted that.

ChaiLarious · 05/07/2025 13:25

WestwardHo1 · 04/07/2025 12:31

It's right to ask what others would do in RR's place and I agree with charging a small fee to use a GP. However, this is the UK, so even if everyone agrees that (say) £20 is a reasonable figure, there will be howls of rage from the usual quarters, and by the time we've exempted children, benefit claimants, pensioners, NHS workers, immigrants, people on MW, people with certain health conditions, etc, only 20% of people will actually be liable to pay it, and the cost to them will be £150 to maintain the service for everyone else.

Absolutely! I was in the GP's pharmacy while back and there was a woman absolutely kicking off because her medication wasn't there. It was ibuprofen, something you can buy for 55p. Every person in the queue in front of me was exempt, and then I handed over my £19.80 for two items. I can tell you at that moment I wasn't thinking "I'm so pleased that my contribution is paying for all these other people". Call me an evil Tory if you like <shrug>

How do you know all of them were exempt and being paid for by your taxes? Some may have been clever enough to use the NHS prescription pre payment scheme if they have multiple medications a month. Their pharmacy would get the details of this and not ask again till it expires in 12 months time.

Livelovebehappy · 05/07/2025 14:09

taxguru · 05/07/2025 11:05

It was the mid 80s when private pensions were encouraged and SERPS was introduced. That's 40 years ago. So people retiring today have had most of their working life to make their own arrangements. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

It might have been mentioned in the mid 80s, but no importance placed on it. There was no mention that by not taking out a private pension you might be in dire straights because your state pension in real terms might be less. No mention of pension age for state pension might be increasing. It was put out there just as a way of supplementing your state pension, or maybe an early retirement option. I know. I was working in the 80s. Were you?

Livelovebehappy · 05/07/2025 14:18

Nickisli1 · 05/07/2025 12:01

Also bumping this excellent post! Focusing on disabled and IC is the wrong thing. Take the billions spent on bailing out banks (ie more money given to super wealthy). Also why does people keep saying the wealthy will just move out of the UK. Of the wealthy I know, most hage families and connections to the UK so will just pay more. Only the very very top / ultra wealthy will move away if they have to pay more

Focussing on the disabled bill is absolutely the right thing. It’s increasing year on year. Why? Not because more people are getting ill than 10 years ago, but because more people are eligible for it, and then not getting assessed at regular intervals to check if they can now go back to work. Starmer wanted more back to work assessments and incentives, but the people on benefits want to remain on them. Forever. It’s a lifestyle choice. Whoever is brave enough to actually implement a review, and have a party who backs it, will get my vote at the next election.

taxguru · 05/07/2025 14:33

Lifeofthepartay · 05/07/2025 13:09

I am talking specifically about tax avoidance no tax evasion, better legislation is needed but government won't throw their pals under the bus by making the pay taxes. Not sure how prevalent is tax evasion in small businesses, tbh I think I less and less businesses take cash these days. Tax avoidance is definitely higher...

The official government statistics of the "official tax gap" say otherwise.

taxguru · 05/07/2025 14:35

Livelovebehappy · 05/07/2025 14:18

Focussing on the disabled bill is absolutely the right thing. It’s increasing year on year. Why? Not because more people are getting ill than 10 years ago, but because more people are eligible for it, and then not getting assessed at regular intervals to check if they can now go back to work. Starmer wanted more back to work assessments and incentives, but the people on benefits want to remain on them. Forever. It’s a lifestyle choice. Whoever is brave enough to actually implement a review, and have a party who backs it, will get my vote at the next election.

We need smaller incremental changes over a long period of time to weed out those who could work but won't. You can't do it in one go, as Starmer has just found out. Just keep "tweaking" the rules every year, make TARGETTED changes where genuine fraud is happening and just chip away at it. If it takes a decade, then it takes a decade.

Alexandra2001 · 05/07/2025 15:05

bookdook · 05/07/2025 11:28

That only happened because the TH was ridiculously low.

so why raise it to a household income of 70k!

Absolutely, crazy

Alexandra2001 · 05/07/2025 15:08

taxguru · 05/07/2025 11:42

I agree. Such a shame that Blair/Prescott/Brown shied away from it a couple of decades ago. We desperately need it, but it's another political hot potato because no one trusts the politicians and senior civil servants to get it right!

I think you'll find it was Cameron who ditched the idea.....

Scraped the ID cards act in 2011

Bryonyberries · 05/07/2025 15:18

What happened to the money we were meant to save through Brexit that was going towards our EU membership?

Alexandra2001 · 05/07/2025 15:27

Bryonyberries · 05/07/2025 15:18

What happened to the money we were meant to save through Brexit that was going towards our EU membership?

Do you need to ask???

Brexit has cost us 10s of billions... people like Bojo should be in prison

Spartahori · 05/07/2025 15:38

Alexandra2001 · 05/07/2025 15:27

Do you need to ask???

Brexit has cost us 10s of billions... people like Bojo should be in prison

£30bn a year was the estimated loss I think. Which is also the amount that our health benefits are estimated to be going up by in a decade.

Locutus2000 · 05/07/2025 15:59

yellowspanner · 05/07/2025 12:58

There is no concentration camp in America. How ridiculous . You may not like Trump, I don't But he was elected by the American people rather like the shower we also elected.
I don't want tax rises I want welfare cut backs but some stupid short sighted people believed labour's lies and voted for them. Just like in America

There is no concentration camp in America. How ridiculous

Meanwhile in America.

Opinion | Don’t call it ‘Alligator Alcatraz.’ Call it a concentration camp.

This facility’s purpose fits the classic model, and its existence points to serious dangers ahead for the country.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/immigration-alligator-alcatraz-concentration-camp-rcna216874

bookdook · 05/07/2025 15:59

Brexit has cost us 10s of billions...

And one of the reasons wealth has left:is leaving, it isn't just all done to labour...

Bumpitybumper · 05/07/2025 16:05

This poll proves that the appetite for tax rises just isn't there. Other polls will show that the public want improved services and there is some reluctance to cut welfare payments. Something has to give. We need to all decide what we find most palatable and accept those will have unpleasant consequences for someone.

Jellycatspyjamas · 05/07/2025 16:05

Locutus2000 · 05/07/2025 15:59

There is no concentration camp in America. How ridiculous

Meanwhile in America.

God help us, whatever your view of immigration this isn’t the way to treat people.

Alexandra2001 · 05/07/2025 16:07

Spartahori · 05/07/2025 15:38

£30bn a year was the estimated loss I think. Which is also the amount that our health benefits are estimated to be going up by in a decade.

We are 4 years in, so 120 billion so far gone..... just so a buffoon could become PM.

What would this country do with an extra 120 billion? Would get defence up to 3% & provide free dentistry for all, fix social care and re build our pot holed roads....

I appreciate its not quite so simple, but it also explains why we are in such a mess right now.

To put it in perspective, within 15 years, we would have lost more than what Covid cost the country.

I hope people who voted for this are happy with themselves.

Miley23 · 05/07/2025 16:12

Livelovebehappy · 05/07/2025 14:18

Focussing on the disabled bill is absolutely the right thing. It’s increasing year on year. Why? Not because more people are getting ill than 10 years ago, but because more people are eligible for it, and then not getting assessed at regular intervals to check if they can now go back to work. Starmer wanted more back to work assessments and incentives, but the people on benefits want to remain on them. Forever. It’s a lifestyle choice. Whoever is brave enough to actually implement a review, and have a party who backs it, will get my vote at the next election.

I have client who was awarded higher rates of PIP when she was very ill two years ago. She is now very much improved to the point where I doubt she would qualify now. She has called PIP and explained this. they said wait until next review which is about nine months away. then it will take a year to look at her review form because they are a year behind. That £750+ PIP every four weeks will just continue to be paid until a decision is made and won't be recuperated when her PIP is stopped. the system is a mess.

LBFseBrom · 05/07/2025 16:15

Alexandra2001 · 05/07/2025 16:07

We are 4 years in, so 120 billion so far gone..... just so a buffoon could become PM.

What would this country do with an extra 120 billion? Would get defence up to 3% & provide free dentistry for all, fix social care and re build our pot holed roads....

I appreciate its not quite so simple, but it also explains why we are in such a mess right now.

To put it in perspective, within 15 years, we would have lost more than what Covid cost the country.

I hope people who voted for this are happy with themselves.

You are saying all that has happened in the last year?

The UK economy is slowly recovering, it's sluggish but is improving.

Things are not too bad, we've certainly had far worse.

Iwasneverafan · 05/07/2025 16:36

hamstersarse · 04/07/2025 14:06

How do you know this?

I know of 3 very wealthy people leave the uk in the past year. Their contribution combined was around £15m

I know some … they aren’t affected one bit. They still fly off in their plane to one of their other houses … they couldn’t care less. [A combined] £15m is nothing when you have that much.

yellowspanner · 05/07/2025 16:42

Havanananana,
Of course the Tories led. Where did I say they didn't ?
Too many people are claiming PIP and mobility cars that they don't need. We all know of people who scam the system . One actually told me how she did it and suggested I do it as well. I reported here and she was charged with fraud. She was my neighbour and had a highly paid job.
And unicorns.... where do they come in. Or Brexit???
It's simple. The politicians lie. They are weak and only interested in holding on to power , oh and benefitting their friends. I pay enough tax and don't see why I should pay more so people can continue to game the system

WestwardHo1 · 05/07/2025 16:52

ChaiLarious · 05/07/2025 13:25

How do you know all of them were exempt and being paid for by your taxes? Some may have been clever enough to use the NHS prescription pre payment scheme if they have multiple medications a month. Their pharmacy would get the details of this and not ask again till it expires in 12 months time.

Because the pharmacist asked and I could hear. People who have a prepayment certificate say "I have a prepayment certificate".

By all means focus on this small comment in this big thread if you like

Panterusblackish · 05/07/2025 17:01

Brexit cost a fortune. It needs paying for.

Covid cost a fortune. It needs paying for.

Scotland luxurious benefits have to be paid for. No one wants to pay hospital parking fees, or tertiary education fees themselves the money has to come from somewhere and it cones from the rest of the UK.

Welfare costs a fortune. No mainstream party can cut benefits because the people who rely on them, often poorly educated from the lower socio economic classes (yes I know, not all benefits claimants) are ready to vote for mini fascist Farage the second Facebook or Twitter tells them to. Then we're truly fucked and like them or not Labour are trying to avoid that dystopian future for all of us.

If we get Reform we get to be mini USA. Loss of rights including reproductive rights, the government being used as a tool to personally enrich a small clique of the already wealthy and powerful. Rascist sentiment being accepted. Misogyny being accepted, Farage thinks Andrew Tate is a top bloke.

Frankly higher taxes is probably the least worst option.

yellowspanner · 05/07/2025 18:41

Panterusblackish · 05/07/2025 17:01

Brexit cost a fortune. It needs paying for.

Covid cost a fortune. It needs paying for.

Scotland luxurious benefits have to be paid for. No one wants to pay hospital parking fees, or tertiary education fees themselves the money has to come from somewhere and it cones from the rest of the UK.

Welfare costs a fortune. No mainstream party can cut benefits because the people who rely on them, often poorly educated from the lower socio economic classes (yes I know, not all benefits claimants) are ready to vote for mini fascist Farage the second Facebook or Twitter tells them to. Then we're truly fucked and like them or not Labour are trying to avoid that dystopian future for all of us.

If we get Reform we get to be mini USA. Loss of rights including reproductive rights, the government being used as a tool to personally enrich a small clique of the already wealthy and powerful. Rascist sentiment being accepted. Misogyny being accepted, Farage thinks Andrew Tate is a top bloke.

Frankly higher taxes is probably the least worst option.

Reform are infinitely better than tax rises. I will vote reform.

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