Tax increases imminent

[Iwishicouldflyhigh]

Heavy hints that taxes will rise in the next Budget after the recent climb down (as the ‘taxes won’t rise again’ was based on a 5 billion saving in benefits).

I can’t lie, I’m so pissed off about this. I don’t think anyone wants to see someone who is genuinely unable to work to be further penalised, but we all know there are thousands of people who could work but don’t.

this country is going to absolute shit . We pay more and more for less and less.

Good luck with that. The people on benefits don’t want help to get back into work. They’re happy with the status quo thank you very much. They want benefits for life.

In regard to the NHS, they have improved matters, my DD works in the NHS and tells me there has been positive improvements over the last few months.

...and in Devon starting to see larger resurfacing work to permanently fix some shocking roads, billions have been given to councils to do this work.

They have announced more social housing, the first for decades....

Just think that if you want more nurses, it takes a min of 3 years to get them.... same with planning officers or Police....

Just revalue the higher ones.

Why should a house worth 5m in Band G pay just 3x the CT a semi worth 350k pay?

This.

You cannot means test the state pension. It's not a benefit. Many people have paid into it for 50 years via national insurance contributions.

It's not a benefit.

It is a benefit...

Many people have paid into it for 50 years via national insurance contributions

The majority won't have paid enough if you actually calculate it but that's not the issue. It's the changing demographics

Great in theory but the minute any Gov says everyone has to pay more tax they will lose votes. It's nice to think everyone would go along with a we all either get less or pay more tax for the greater good but OMG listen to the squeals already and almost no money has been raised.

Edited, I hate to say it but we need a Trump

an example, I’ve seen houses we could just about afford and give us and our children a better life, bigger garden bedroom each etc
but cannot due to the ever increasing council ax that will never go down or stop increasing.

the economy will not grow.

Just revalue the higher ones.

But many of the higher ones will be owned by older voters.

Why do people always try to bring pensions into this? People these days are encouraged to pay into private pensions, and I expect that will eventually become compulsory and the state pension will decrease/pension age will rise. But a few decades ago, paying into private pensions wasn't a thing. So despite people seemingly wanting state pension to be reviewed, nothing can be done to fix that at this moment in time unless you propose sending out today’s 80 year olds to work. It will take time and a few years before there can be reforms brought in for future pensioners. And I’d rather my taxes went on paying pensioners than subsidising people who are fighting tooth and nail not to get help in getting back into work. The decreasing number of people actually working will come back to bite today’s future pensioners on the arse.

Pension credit - no need to have made any contributions plus you then get other freebies

State pension - you need approx 35 years contributions and it is taxable.

It has always been known that you need qualifying years for state pension. Carers and job seekers can also qualify for the necessary NI stamps.

Removing pension credit would be a step in the right direction.

Why do people always try to bring pensions into this?

It's because we have an ageing population. We already have more over 65 yr olds then under 25 yrs olds.

I read we need 1m immigrants a year to maintain the current status quo of 3 workers to 1 pensioner (in the 60s it was 5:1).

under 15 yr olds that should say

But a few decades ago, paying into private pensions wasn't a thing.

That isn't true. and private pension schemes were often far better a few decades than they are today.

70% of today's pensioners have a private pension..,

Bumping this excellent post.

So what? They don’t vote Labour anyway.

Other countries manage to do it. I've lived in Scandinavia, Germany and Austria and of course there are people whinging about "high taxes" - but they know that they are getting relatively good public services for their taxes. They are aghast when they hear about the waiting times for treatment in the UK or when they read about people waiting for hours in A&E, or who died waiting for an ambulance that never came. Rural areas have generally good public transport and in the cities, public transport infrastructure is generally excellent. Education is free or very low cost, from Kindergarten right up to University or technical college.

They do get relative decent public services though. They also often have a different tax system & have invested in services. Eg benefits are often linked to what you paid in.

So what? They don’t vote Labour anyway.

still can't see labour suggesting it.

They get far far better services simply because they have paid in more over decades plus a sense that Govt is there to improve the populations well being, something that govts in the UK aren't bothered about.

eg pretty much every town in France has a sports leisure complex, free to use, free to park, even their public swimming lakes are all free or most of them are.

Their health services are leagues ahead of the NHS too, again decades of paying more, not charging staff to train....

@Alexandra2001 and this is why we are fucked because we now have to play catch up whilst dealing with changed demographics.

You want Trump?

Massive tax cuts but only for the wealthy at the cost of millions losing health care?

Even many conservatives are opposed to the massive rises in the deficit.

Well, in cases where people - seems an increasing amount from looking at stats - are receiving benefits and are absolutely can't pay, then perhaps their 'handler' should have vouchers to give out.

This in itself shouldn't be a barrier to charging for visits. And I'm not saying a huge amount, perhaps £10 - roughly the cost of 1.5 pints.

My guess is they will stick 1 per cent on VAT so everyone ends up paying.

We aren't fucked, we can seek to undo Brexit - CU and possibly SM, we can introduce taxes that will be ring fenced for roads, health & denistry etc.... or any increases will be seen as going into the pot called "wasted on benefits"

Imagine if we could all see an NHS dentist again? Labours polling would improve rather dramatically.

We still have, overall, lower taxes than many countries in Europe.

So Council Tax changes, NI for higher rate pensioners, reverse some of Hunts NI cuts, with the money raised used to get private dentists back doing NHS work...

Labour have just 4 years, they have to start being bolder and have a lot more vision, atm their main rival is Reform, so they have a great chance to defeat them in 2029, the electorate have given up on the Tories.. for now!!