I hate anti-vaxxers

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How can anyone in this day and age be an anti-vaxxer? London and West mids currently suffering from a meassls outbreak. DS is under 1 so cannot yet have vaccine, I know of someone whose 10momth old contracted measels as they were too young for vaccine.
Ridiculous that reckless and tardy parents are putting all our children at risk. Actually terrible.

Evidence for this?

My great great uncle was sent home from a sanatorium to die of TB. Home was a tiny house with several younger children so they made him a bed in one of the chicken sheds.

Unfortunately TB is on the rise again, and moreover is becoming drug resistant because the cohort who are carrying it tend to be transient, have other social and health issues and often don’t finish treatment but re present later to start treatment again and repeat the cycle.

It's interesting that the people who purport to be the most caring and considerate in society are also the ones who want parents prosecuted for neglect, children exculded from school and clubs/activities. They are also the ones who want the state to 'enforce', 'ban' and 'punish'.

The Covid Vaccine fiasco?..... where a new vaccine was successfully formulated, rolled out across the world, and got the us all back to normal within a short period of time, which hardly any consequences. It was a triumph in human healthcare.

You do know that polio has disabled far more millions than vaccine injury ever has?

You don't think the state would intervene when parents neglect their children?

Wait till you get shingles - which you could have prevented had a chickenpox vaccine been available - and you will be less sanguine about your experience of chickenpox. Unless, of course, you are old enough to qualify for the shingles vaccine.

YANBU. We are all nervous about our children potentially having a reaction to vaccines - but we do it anyway, both for their sakes and for the sake of others. Just like we have vaccinations ourselves (Covid etc) for the sake of others as much as ourselves.

I hope all those who don’t vaccinate (unless on really strong medical grounds and so advised not to by doctors) are all “off-grid” types and so are completely self-sufficient and don’t mix with people in other ways. You don’t get to have the benefits of being part of a community, without also doing things yourself to benefit that community 😡

Exactly this. My mum had all of above including meningitis (viral) and has a ridiculously robust immune system now as an adult. Of course as with any illness, including the flu, there is a risk of serious complications but with better sanitation and nutrition, these are less likely now. We also cannot ignore the fact that some of us do have vaccine injured children - like myself. The doctor has confirmed this is the case and subsequently I ceased any future vaccines. There is risk involved in both scenarios. Also it’s worth noting that had these viral diseases been allowed to circulate they would have naturally produced herd inmmunity but obviously all viruses mutate. 9/10 the strains today are vaccine acquired mutations.

No, more like the part when they literally forced it on people and lied about it stopping transmission etc when it absolutely didn't. Oh and also the fact that it killed people, who weren't given a choice about taking it really

@1dayatatime So firstly I think it's important to define the difference between a vaccine and a jab. Polio,mumps, measles etc are all vaccines in that they mimic the virus with a deactivated or harmless version that the body then uses to build up a life long protection. Whereas something like flu or covid are jabs in that they don't prevent you catching the disease but reduce its severity and also have to be updated and retaken every year.

This is patently wrong. I don't know where you got that information from! All the illnesses you mention have vaccines. They are given via injection or the slang word 'jab'. By the way there is NO vaccine that prevents you catching a virus - they aren't force fields.

example the polio vaccine stops the individual from dying - it's more complicated than that, the main aim is to prevent paralysis (which can mean death if it's your breathing). There are actually 2 forms of polio vaccine - IPV and OPV. IPV is the injected inactivated virus, OPV is the attenuated (weakened) one given on a sugar cube, an oral vaccine, mainly used in third world countries (due to ease of delivery). The problem with OPV is that the weakened virus is excreted via the gut for a few days after vaccination and so that means others can catch polio if they haven't been vaccinated as well. IPV is really the only effective vaccine for polio and is used in most first world countries. Unfortunately until the use of OPV is stopped and only IPV is used poliovirus will continue to exist and spread (albeit at a far lower rate).

the chickenpox virus is still in circulation meaning that there are less severe reactions from older people to shingles

Are you aware that you can ONLY get shingles if you've had chickenpox? So if everyone was vaccinated against chicken pox then no-one would develop shingles in later life.

Except that they are in the case of heard immunity and vaccinations.

In 94% of situations I hold a very live and let live attitude towards others, but I draw the line when your beliefs and actions are actively harming others.

Don't want to vaccinate? Fine, but your child shouldn't be allowed to attend nursery/soft play etc with immunocompromised infants.

It always amuses me when anti-vaxxers are pious about what they will put into their bodies. Yet they're apparently perfectly happy for dangerous viruses to run rampant and unchecked in their sacred bodies, even though it's fully preventable. They're also usually pretty happy to take into their bodies whatever the medical profession can offer if they become dangerously ill.

Wrong. I remember a tiny minority of militant antivaxxers in the 1990s when my children were little and my friends and I very much did care. They could make that choice for their kids safe in the knowledge that the rest of us were vaccinating our kids so herd immunity would be high enough to keep their kids safe. We were happy to see our own children protected and to keep herd immunity for those who couldn't be immunised for medical reasons or were too young, but we were taking the slight risk that our children would be the rare unlucky ones to have vaccine damage. The antivaxxers now are taking much more of a risk and some of their children will pay a terrible price. So will some kids who can't be immunised. It's criminally stupid and selfish.

We could see what happened to the stats of, in particular, deaths from covid as soon as the vaccine was widely available. Death and serious illness numbers literally plummeted from what had been pretty horrifying heights.

What did they say about puberty blockers and cross sex hormones for children in 2018?

Can I just add that this isn’t just an unvaccinated people from “overseas” thing in London. It’s also unvaccinated British people. I know lots of people from the shire counties who are unvaccinated & come into London.
II can’t help but feel being antivax is an indirect way of someone saying “fuck you” to me & my friends & family. I understand there are risks with vaccinations but I have a responsibility to community to take that risk. I risk my life on a daily basis in many other ways, like getting in a car, using household cleaning products, breathing in polluted air.

No one ever claimed it would stop transmission!
we where told it would mean less chance of becoming seriously ill with it

They are if they spread infection.

However sometimes they are not the same, for example not making the chickenpox vaccine available on the NHS means that some individuals may suffer badly from the virus (and a small number die) but it does mean that the chickenpox virus is still in circulation meaning that there are less severe reactions from older people to shingles

What on earth are you talking about, @1dayatatime? You can't get shingles unless you have had chickenpox. Therefore preventing chickenpox prevents shingles. Having had chickenpox as a child and shingles fairly recently, I can confidently state that shingles was bloody severe, having left me with permanent damage to my eye.

Anti-vaxxers are self centred fools who without critical thinking, the ability to understand that they don't live on an island all on their own and an inability to look at scientific evidence or history.

They'd have been shouting 'burn the witches' three centuries ago with the same inability to assess evidence or consider the impact of their actions on others.

Neglect is a word that can be manipulated.

Exactly. And the death and serious illness statistics demonstrated that to be true.

Fucking 'feelies' what an ignorant uniformed comment.

As someone who knows children who have died or been severely and permanently disabled recently by childhood illnesses which could and should have been irradicated if everyone were vaccinated I would call anyone who decides to not to vaccinate selfish in the extreme (putting your own ill informed views ahead of your own child's wellbeing, not even considering how you may impact others who have no choice). It is happening now, not in the past which the ignorant and ill-informed seem to ignore as a reason to vaccinate as it was in the past and so wont affect them.

The unique cleverness and superiority 'feelies' that anti-vaxxers get from deciding not to vaccinate is simply incomprehensible.

That is a load of shit. I have had many a conversation with people in real life and people of sound mind agree that parents that don't vaccinate(unless there is a medical reason) are the most selfish and idiotic.