Lily Allen ‘can’t remember’ how many abortions she’s had

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Article in the Fail today about this.
I am pro choice but it did make me a bit uncomfortable. After a while a string of abortions - too many to remember - would surely leave its mark physically and emotionally not mention the cost on the NHS.
Everyone should have a choice but is there not an element of personal responsibility to just take precautions after the first few times?!

It is a bitchfest though, that's why I've repeatedly pointed it out.
I'd be happy if a young woman was accessing contraception, but also able to access abortion should she require it. I wouldn't judge her or tell her that some random folk on the internet matter more than her.

So, pro coice then... unless it interferes with your own perceived value system? So, not really pro choice or pro women's autonomy etc etc at all then?

Should you get a stamp card? What if your friend hasn't used any of her stamps? Can you use hers? What if in your maximum of 3 abortions rule... abortion 1 was due to stupidity, abortion 2 was failed contraception (you vomited after taking your pill or the condom came off etc), abortion 3 was due to you being on meds that make pregnancy very dangerous (there are plenty!), abortion 4 was because of rape, abortion 5 was because no contraception is 100%, abortion 6 is because you were not in a place that you could look after yourself, let alone a baby, abortion 7 was because the baby had medical conditions, abortion 8 was because... there are soooo many different reasons to have an abortion. You cant pick a random number and say "yep, I approve of that number but no more".

I have no idea about Lily. I haven't read the articles. Just the headlines.

I think we are so lucky to have access to safe abortions and the freedom to access them.

As I have already said, I just hope she isnt trying to process any trauma publicly. Yes, I know some women dont give it a second thought but a lot of women do struggle with it. Even if it is the "right" decision and you dont regret it, it can still be deeply upsetting.

Well I haven’t made it into a bitchfest and it wasn’t my intention. I saw the article this morning across a few media platforms and thought it was worthy of a discussion. There’s no obligation to join in.

I agree OP.
Extremely irresponsible, selfish and unnecessary with many contraceptive methods available.
While I am very grateful that women have access to abortion service, it should be used as a form of contraception.
I never liked LA, she's an attention seeking fool.

@Morgenrot25 are you LA’s mum?

I don't care. Her body, her business.🤷‍♀️

Abortion, by definition, is not a form of contraception.

Does she take sugar in her tea? Is she really as petite as she looks in her photos? What colour is her sofa?

You have no idea? Oh. You said you have never liked her so I assumed you actually knew her personally to form that opinion. Never mind then.

I'm pro-choice but I found the flippancy and giggling around the interview very unsettling. They each claimed to have had 4 or 5 abortions and found it trivial and funny. What message is that sending men about our bodies, or their own responsibilities, for god sake? Nobody has snooped into Lily Allen's private files, she chose to talk about it publicly. Personally I won't have the "thought police" dictating what I and can't talk about.

Being pro-choice doesn't mean you can't have a moral framework. Your list is frankly ridiculous. Most women get through life without having any abortions.

She seemed very confident discussing this, I think she'll be knocked off her feet by the public reaction, her MH is fragile.

I always tell my children, only share things that you are happy for everyone else to hear, good and bad.

You think she had them on the NHS? I expect she said she couldn’t remember because it’s nobody else’s business.

I can tell her MH is fragile if she’s had 5 abortions. Exactly my point upthread about a woman would have to be in a really dark place to keep finding herself in this shit position. I wonder when abortion number 6 will happen.

She could have gone her whole life without anyone knowing about this, seems vulgar to throw it out there so casually years later.
to have ‘four or five abortions’ is odd unless she’s a ridiculously fertile woman that not even contraception and condoms stopped her from getting pregnant.
And for her friend to label it ‘romantic’ that a man paid for Lily’s abortions is so messed up.

It is well documented that she has mh conditions, she openly discussed her diagnosis.

You’re right, I’ve seen worse being discussed here. @Itchytoe is being a prick
they could of scrolled on by

absolutely this

there are a lot of self appointed thought police on mn these days

So your counter argument is ... having no argument.

Gotcha. You do you culture has really served us well.

“My body my choice” is right up there with “but it’s my right” as a simplistic catch all to shut people up. To infringe is to bully after all.

But, the whole rights thing of the social contract is actually
“Rights and responsibilities“

Reponsoble to society, responsible to the use of resources, responsible in our treatment of others

Im pro-choice, things happen, things go wrong, maybe you just don’t want a baby as Lily, I believe, said. And we should be free to make our choices.

But to not consider contraception at all, to just crack on, and abort when you inevitably get pregnant - that’s downright irresponsible.

I’d argue however she needed help, not the ability to abort removed, maybe some kind of sex education or counselling should kick in if you hit abortion number three - not to judge you but to address whatever issue you clearly have and help you.

I’m at a loss as to how many people think it’s ok to not use contraception and not want a baby! Not only that but to end the life they made by being lazy or irresponsible and not taking precautions!
Nearly half a dozen abortions. Wow.
let’s hope her body doesn’t let her down when she wants to go full term.

& before all you pro choices jump down my throat!!!
I’m entitled to my opinion as well as you.

The binary pro-life/pro-choice that argued on here doesn't reflect most people's views on abortion. Very few ascribe full personhood at a missed period and want all abortion banned. Equally very few in reality are comfortable with full-time abortion on demand. Many get around that moral quandary by arguing that it doesn't happen in reality. For most people though, I think at some stage of pregnancy, the foetus becomes something of worth, even if always behind the mother's wishes.

So it's entirely possible to believe in LA's right to those abortions, whilst feeling sad that human life can be created and destroyed so flippantly. It's entirely possible to feel that an embryo foetus is a living early human being, with unique DNA, and that it is special, whilst also accepting that it's survival is only a second of its mother at that stage.

Thinking LA should have the right to those emotions doesn't mean you have to think of an abortion like getting a mole removed. It can still be sad. It can still be a moral choice that you disagree with, even if you think legally it is her decision.

The laughing at the romance of the man paying for the abortion - they are laughing at how absurd their thought process was 20 odd years ago when she was a teenager.

They are sneering at male entitlement too.

I actually applaud her for tearing down the taboo of abortion, even if they are doing it awkwardly.

English women are so lucky to have access to this service, even the unfortunate victims of the combination of their own mental health, patriarchy, lack of discipline and arrogance of privilege. LA doesn't have to be a perfect woman to receive healthcare, she doesn't have to talk about it in a serious way, if her style is to be flippant about everything. She is not a doctor or an expert, she is a flawed woman, who is figuring out her trauma.

I have already given my tuppence worth on the subject of the thread but just have to come back to say that AIBU is really wild! You have a poster, @MyUmberSeal commenting specifically on the topic of the thread, then just a few posts later, after someone comments on what she said, claiming that she had "no idea" about the topic and never mentioned it! Pretty crazy stuff!

You don’t know that she’s using abortions as contraceptive. You don’t know what she goes through on a daily life (failed contraceptive/rape/medical reasons).

I am glad she lives in a country where she is able to have safe, free abortions. It should be every woman’s right to have the choice.