Child left in car in 35 degree heat

[Empress13]

Please tell me as I’m struggling to understand How the hell you could forget you have left a child in a car in such extreme heat. Unbelievable ! that poor child

That's a really good idea. Agree with this and other posts we do so much on autopilot that it really is an easy mistake to make.

I can't see the screen shot - may appear later - sometime do for me.

However I did go and look at your quote history in one of your prior posts again and it's weirdly different to one on my post where you are clearly quoting me - hence me replying and being confused.

This is bloody odd because it now looks like same quote history thread in different posts on same thread show different posts - which is plainly very confusing. Not sure that makes sense as explination - but I'm seeing in my posts you quoting me - and then in last one of your posts the history showing you quoting the poster you clearly expected and not me.

I had no idea that could happen or how - but I apologsie for being snippy.

No worries at all - I think something weird is going on with the quoting function.

And you don't lock a door these days (in most cases). You walk away and click a button on a key fob. However, I walk back around the car and check every door is locked before I leave it. So get into the habit of doing that, and you won't miss a baby or dog in the back.

Didn't David Cameron leave one of his kids in a pub or something?

Well done for being perfect. How absolutely wonderful you must be. How everyone must bow down to your perfection.

Apparently my dad once managed to lock me (as a baby) and his car keys in his car. This was when you could lock a car by pushing the knob on the inside of the door down before you closed it. He realised immediately and then ran around frantically until he found a policeman who smashed the front window with his truncheon. I guess these incidents happen when the child is sleeping in the back.

There have been a few cases in Italy until government passed a law for all car seats to have a special alarm fit in, that detects if a child has been left in the vehicle.

I had no idea Italy had done that - apparently did it back in 2019

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/07/child-seats-italy-fitted-alarms-spate-deaths-children-trapped/

Clearly tech must be there - hopefully other countries will make it mandatory.

So far you call posters vile, patronise and mock their capacity for intelligence and it's other posters that apparently have a god-like superiority complex?

It would appear that it's you that is willifully ignorant to consider all views.

You seem to assume that everyone is the same. That everyone applies the same level of attention, the same considerate approach to parenting their children as each other. Well they don't.

You also seem to think forgetting you have a child in the back of your car is similar to misplacing your purse or similar. Well it isn't. Just because I might misplace my wallet doesn't mean I automically have the capacity to misplace my child, what a ridiculous inference.

You're telling PP that because we make minor mistakes parenting we can't judge those that make extreme and severe parenting mistakes. All the while you're judging, patronising and insulting others. What a fucking grade A hypocrite. 😂😂😂

He didn´t take him to work, the mum usually took him to nursery, this time he was in charge (change of routine) and he got distracted and drove straight to work like he did every single day.
And about noise, my kid was and is always massively silet in the car, when not asleep and when she was a baby she even puked all over my car with me sat in the front seat driving and i didn´t notice a thing.
I always took her to nursery and had an app that alerted me when I walked away from car. But if ever my husband took her I always rang him to make sure he had remembered to take her and not forgotten her in the car. Because this is one of my fears. We all think we are immune to everything until it happens to us.

The Washington Post article includes this salutory information:

“Death by hyperthermia” is the official designation. When it happens to young children, the facts are often the same: An otherwise loving and attentive parent one day gets busy, or distracted, or upset, or confused by a change in his or her daily routine, and just... forgets a child is in the car. It happens that way somewhere in the United States 15 to 25 times a year, parceled out through the spring, summer and early fall. The season is almost upon us.

How does that work with carseats though?
The carseat is always buckled in or isofixed?

The issue is carseat aged children, older kids would no doubt get themselves out or bang the windows.

What a long winded way of not saying sorry for jumping on a poster, and patronising them for your misinterpretation. You could have said sorry instead of going on a long narrative to justify not saying sorry. But I suppose that would've been too hard for you.

All these sanctimonious comments about this happening. That holier than thou, "it would never happen to me" attitude is exactly the sort of attitude that makes it more likely things like that would happen to you. Complacency.

The human brain gets into habits and routines. Personally, my daily routine means I never drive anywhere without my children in the car (I wfh), so on the odd occasion where I do drive somewhere without them, I feel really weird getting out of the car without them and am very conscious of them not being there. Someone who drives to work every day alone with no kids in the car, who then as a one-off has to take the baby to nursery before work might have the opposite response, especially if the baby falls asleep... THAT is when it happens. And if you think it couldn't ever happen to you without implementing special measures to prevent it, you're deluding yourself, and that is very dangerous.

My Gran had 6 kids, and every single one of them has at least one story of being left behind somewhere as a child. That includes my gran twice leaving the pram outside a shop with a new baby in it and not realising until she got home. It's not a new thing by any means, the main difference is that in the past, most families only had one car, so when babies and young children were taken anywhere during the day it was more often on foot rather than in a car.

The child would be dead if left for 6 hours in car in 35C

If relying on science to understand human behaviour and to try to find explanations and thus potential solutions to human problems them I’m more is hypocritical, then I stand guilt as charged.

Far better that than ignorantly sticking my head in the sand and claiming how perfectly perfect I am and decrying those who I see as less than me.

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I’ve never forgotten my children anywhere. Do I think that this could happen to me? Absolutely it could. It could happen to any of us, no matter how indignant you get about the idea or if you take it as some sort of judgement on your parenting or think you would never do that. The whole point is that it can and does happen to loving parents, that’s why it’s so scary. Those parents didn’t think it would ever happen to them either. They didn’t set out on their day aiming to be neglectful or to harm and kill their child. No doubt they set out like all of us do in the mornings, probably a bit harried and running late, mind on autopilot while we drive thinking about all the stuff we have to get done that day. Just one little change to routine and the brain is almost working against us.

Don’t think it can’t happen to you because it can, regardless of how good a parent you believe yourself to be.

I don't know which way you drive, but I usually face forwards, so I would not see the back seat when I exit the car, because it's behind me and eyes are up front. Even if I would decide to randomly spin around, baby would be in a rearfacing car seat, and if the baby seat would be behind driver's seat, the seatback would block the view. I have tinted windows. If your windows are not tinted and you have small children, it's quite likely the sunshade would be up in the summer. That's how.
If people are not specifically checking the back seat (and why would you, if in your head your child is safely somewhere else) it is very possible not to see.

Its definitely a pyramid of risk thing, it must happen daily that people forget kids, and for every million kids who are accidently forgotten, remembered about at the last minute, they'll be that one in a million who actually comes to harm, gets found in a soiled nappy, and a bit dehydrated, and even less who are found too late.

Not sure what you want to say here? The child was dead.

Well data shows in US they have on average 39 deaths from children being left unattended in hot cars. And on average 300 non deaths. No doubt the u reported cases are a lot higher.

There are 63 million parents in the US. If they took 10 trips in the car with the kids a year that several hundred million trips.

So let’s over estimate and say 10,000 actual cases of abandoning the child in 630 million opportunities for neglecting them in the car. That still represents 0.001% of occurrences.

So this isn’t a major issue we need science to help us understand. Quite often the news articles provide enough information to understand the type of parent that did this (eg on a drug high etc).

So yes I’m the one with my head in the sand. Ignore the data and official reports and you and science have a blast understanding the complex behavioural issues, many of which are well documented and understood.

Comprehension isn’t your thing is it?

It isn't even the story being discussed on the chat feed anyway.

Something we have in common clearly.