To be done with Labour - no money will be saved

[Viviennemary]

I've just seen on ITV news that even if the bill goes through no money whatsoever will be saved. So it all seems a pretty pointless exercise. What on earth was the point of all this fuss and argument. Might have guessed this government would be a disaster. That huge majority and they can't get anything done.

I hate to think what the UK will be like after 4 more years of this.

Your post makes no sense. And you are unable to even explain it. I think that’s about it.

Hikes in NI for example and reducing the starting point from when you pay NI from 9k to 5k that will impact small businesses, those with tight margins or those new entrants to markets.

Non doms, saying we will tax wordwide assets of people who are highly mobile means they will be highly incentivised to leave rather than just stay put.

https://cps.org.uk/media/post/2025/new-ons-figures-show-accelerating-job-losses/

And thats how it affects normal people, aside from drop in tax takes going i to the future.

I was going more for "taken aback by person making random assertion at me" than rude as such.

Labour are taxing the shit out of everyone and everything to give to the workshy. Tax burden highest since the second World War but crappy public services because so much is spaffed on welfare. They're after your (already taxed) savings next. Thankfully it's not irreversible once they get kicked out in 4 years time.

It’s not about loving rich people or feeling sorry for them or some nonsense like that (I am definitely not a rich person) it’s about requiring them to carry on investing in the UK. It’s pragmatism vs ideology. Poor growth affects everyone. It affects the number of jobs on offer, it affects our ability to pay for everything.

As unpalatable as it may be for some the UK does need to be somewhere people can set up businesses, in tech, in pharma, a pub etc etc. everyone benefits from people who set up businesses and hire people. They can be small businesses and those are often the backbone of communities but we are making it harder for people to be hired.

If PIP for poor MH only went to those on actue psychiatric wards I don’t think anyone would argue with that.

At least there's no end of migrants pouring in to either add to the welfare bill or take what few jobs there are (or both).

I thought that when KS was chosen as leader that he's the "rebound boyfriend" Someone who could get Labour into power because he wouldn't frighten the electorate. Old tax and spend labour is still there and waiting to pounce.

We spend about the same proportion of GDP on benefits as we did 10-12 years ago and like then, the majority is on pensions and benefits paid to older people such as Attendance Allowance. I mean we could introduce an arbitrary age for euthanasia of 70 or so but that's unlikely to be a popular policy.

If you want to get benefit spending down for the sake of the individual/society, that's going to be pretty costly and no government will want or be able to provide the necessary outlay. So we're stuck.drmoniding people for the flaws of our socio-economic system, rebranding the welfare state as "handouts" and making life as shitty as we can for people on the sharp end.

Exactly. It’s jobs not just for us, but for any dc entering the workforce.

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Calm down dear. Why so angry?

He wasn't meant to be PM. He's a non entity. He was picked to purge the left of Labour after Corbyn lost.

He became PM because the Tories collapsed after holding the line for years to keep Corbyn out/get Brexit over the line.

How is that balanced out by the government's pro business policies and their willingness to accede to lobbying? How impactful are the policies you quote?

Oh.

Communication failure I suppose.

He’s a nonentity who turned the CPS round in five years and made Labour electable in four years. What have you achieved?

It's almost as if the past fifteen years never happened!

Unfortunately this goes back decades now though, at the same time Blair opened up the borders Brown introduced what was effectively corporate welfare with income tax credits.

Cue a massive influx of people from far lower paid economies who suppressed wage growth and qualified for top ups once they started families. It's still going on in one way or another and the constant call is for more of everything.

The explosion in low margin low pay business in hospitality in the past 20 years is based on this model of subsided labour. It's actually going straight into private equity returns for the wealthy and then leaving the tax payer to fund the lifetime costs of health, housing and education.

20 years ago 80 percent of these welfare immigration subsidised businesses didn't exist.
The myth is that this immigration will pay pensions when the reality is the exact opposite.

I don't think it matters any more which flavour of uniparty gets in, the public sector machinery rolling this along is so huge and dysfunctional it's unchangeable.

Politicians are just having a good guess at it all, they've no idea how it will play out but this open border global free for all is dangerously unstable now.

He's not a politician, he's an administrator.

As for the CPS, he's just another lefty lawyer which has wrecked the rule of law and order in Britain.

Usually said by people who have nothing worthwhile to reply with. Theres way more original things you could say when you are out of ideas.

It's ultimately why the Tories perpetuated the mass immigration disaster and open border calamity on the country because the wealthy have profited.

We need to get benefit spending down for the sake of the country’s ability to balance the books. That’s the harsh reality.

Id love to know why these rebel MPs think Keir Starmer and RR suggested welfare cuts in the first place. Is it:

a) because they understand that the benefits bill is rising at a totally unsustainable rate and the country is totally f*cked if they stand there and do nothing, or b) they are just totally vile individuals who like nothing more than putting the boot into those on disability benefits?

which is it more likely to be???

He turned the CPS round. Here you go, this is what the Tories thought of him.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/starmer-dpp-tories-autobiography-prosecutions-b2499759.html

Blair….where it all started to go wrong. And it’s only gone in one direction since.

That guy was wrong on just about everything he ever laid his hands on. Immigration, economy and low wages, social issues. And he is a war criminal to boot.

Did you read my first paragraph at all? I didn't just put it there to make the rest look pretty.