To think there are jobs in the world which no human being should be doing?

[ConstantIllness]

Abattoir workers
Online child sex abuse investigators
Are 2 in particular that spring to mind. They require people to become numb to pain and suffering.
In anticipation of snarky replies: no, I don't know how else they should be done and yes, I know there's always been pain and suffering. It's at an industrial scale now though.
Maybe it takes a certain kind of human to do it, which is worrying in itself.

What would be your proposed alternative solution to people owing money?

Totally take your point.
But it doesn't apply to a deer that has been chased by dogs for hours over open countryside and then when terrified and exhausted it's shot. I saw this happen recently on Exmoor. The huntspeople all dressed up to the nines, riding out for the day and blowing horns to glory in it all. How that's fun is beyond me.

The local vet takes part in the hunt. How do they square that with their vocation? Some people are just wired that way I guess.

People in India who have to clean out sewers and pit latrines with no PPE.
Loan shark.
Influencer.
Tour manager to Bernard Manning or Roy Chubby Brown.
The guy who squeezes king Charles' toothpaste for him.
Battery chicken farmer/slaughterer.
Charity mugger (commission only).
Deliveroo rider who only covers McDonalds.
Nigel Farage.

I shall pass on your critique that my wonderfully dedicated, empathetic and tirelessly hardworking daughter must be a ‘certain type of human’ OP 👌🏻

She spends HOURS of her life investigating CSE, leading an equally dedicated and passionate team, to bring child sex abusers to justice.

Great to discover that people like you feel that she and her team are ‘a certain type of human’. Thanks for that!

I’d say yes but more to do with our over consumption. Have you seen the videos of peoples hands being burnt to shell cashews so we can have them as much as we like, the people working in the mines so minerals can be extracted, people in sweatshops so we can have cheap clothing. These jobs I wish didn’t exist where we richer countries exploit those worse off

I don't know what the answer is, but surely, wherever possible, we should be using AI for the jobs that people either cannot do, or which would be deeply unpleasant or mindnumbingly boring.

Instead, it seems to be mainly used for things that humans can and should easily be in charge of doing and leading - artistic, communicative and intelligence-based pursuits - and being allowed to take over.

A bit like my car does all the dirty grunt work in getting me from A to B, but I am the one who decides where we are going.

Executioners. If no-one was prepared to be involved in carrying out the death penalty, we could get rid of it overnight.

The guy who squeezes king Charles' toothpaste for him.

Surely Wallace could have come up with some kind of Paste-o-matic machine by now, which forcefully dispatches a dollop from a hole in the wall right into his open mouth, at an exact specified time every day?!

AI is used for abuse images but at some point the human needs to view - AI provides a set of possibles - it can’t go and make the final call and do the arresting and investigation. Also things evolve and sometime ai needs to be handled new training examples - given by humans

it is such a terrible hard role and so very necessary

abattoirs however - I can’t help feeling if you eat meat ( and I do ) then you should be able to handle the slaughter of the animal ( which I doubt I could - nobody is perfect )

Correct, which is why I said " If someone is happy to charge for it and the other is happy to pay"

'Sex work' covers a broad spectrum.

I always wonder about people in jobs where they are incentivised to reduce costs of things like care, housing and special educational provision. Do they really feel satisfied going home at the end of the day knowing that, because of their work, some child who desperately needs help in school is going to have to do without it? Or a vulnerable young person is sleeping out on the streets and probably being attacked, or an equally vulnerable older person is having to lie in their own urine and faeces because they have no-one to help them to the toilet?

Yes the majority of people do have sex for pleasure. The men who pay women for sex however are not doing it solely for pleasure, they are in the main, doing it as an expression of domination and control and are deeply abusive men.

I can guarantee you that a man who habitually abuses prostituted women, is not going to be a decent nice man who believes in equality of the sexes and has respect for women. And his ability to use women for his orgasm, reinforces and strengthens his retrograde ideas about women. It's a vicious cycle.

The idea that it is an equal exchange is a very successful piece of propaganda, but it's so far from reality as to be a total fantasy. Like Pretty Woman.

If women actually wanted to do this job, there would be no international trafficking business. No one is trafficking engineers, architects or software programmers.

I don't agree. There are always two sides.

When someone has let their home, into the care of someone else while they work abroad, and come back to a wrecked house, distressed neighbours and an aggressive tenant refusing to leave, having a competent and intelligent bailiff is a godsend.

I worked in a social work type job and was paired in a training course with a guy who was a parole officer for serious, repeat sex offenders and child abusers.
It is one of the worst jobs I can imagine but needed and he seemed like an amazing person.

My cousin is a counsellor for terminally ill children. Again it is a much needed and hugely important job but I cannot imagine doing it.

The people who are happy to charge for outliers. They are such a small proportion of prostituted women that they can be let to get on with it without us taking undue notice of them. Unfortunately they are the ones who have the loudest voice because they're saying what abusive men want them to. And somehow the agenda of abusive men always seem to figure much more largely in the media, than would be expected in a society which claims to not like abuse.

Some people easily or happily do things that most people find repellent....hunting and shooting for example. The thought of it makes me sick, but other perfectly reasonable seeming folk get kitted up in fancy clothes and go out to kill animals for pleasure.

Shooting isn't necessarily for pleasure. It is necessary to cull deer, and to humanely destroy those that have been hit by cars. Farming isn't Disneyland.

Yes, absolutely this.

Also insurance loss adjusters - where people have been faithfully paying their premiums for ages, just in case the worst happens; and then the worst does happen and somebody is sent over at a deeply traumatic time to routinely gaslight, harass and accuse them of dishonesty, in order to capitalise on their trauma and save their employer from paying out the full amount, thus making a horrendous ordeal even more horrendous than it ever needed to be.

They're effectively looting when a tragedy has occurred - no better than the person who helps themselves to your grandmother's wedding ring when she's been attacked and left unconscious in the street.

"Jobs that no human should be doing" are those outside of the law.
Imagine getting up everyday to rob people of their phones or steal from shops.

I halted an interview many years ago when I was told slaughterhouses were among their customers. As sales I would be dealing with the offices, but still no. A director called me after to say I wouldn't have to, Still no.

A job that no one should have to do, but I have admiration for how it's done, is retrieving the fallen from battlefields in Ukraine.
It's essential for the families but doesn't take much imagination as to how harrowing the task must be.

Unfortunately small family run abattoirs that provide the lowest stress experience for livestock are closing because of increasing costs. This is forcing farmers to send their animals to factory abattoirs, which is less desirable.

Yes I completely agree with this. A family friend was a sheep farmer and stopped about 10 years ago because he wouldn’t send his animals to a factory abattoir. Prior to that it was a local abattoir staffed by people who had genuine compassion for the animals.

I read a book in which a prisoner writes an apology note to the staff who find her, just before she kills herself.

And I say we need MPs to have done a job or two like this before they get anywhere near parliament, instead of the usual pattern of born into wealth > posh school > oxbridge > parliament.

In the last episode of Clarksons Farm, he has problems with the cess pit in the new pub. As he is talking to the builders by the pit, they wind up the block and tackle and a man is pulled up from the cess pit who has been working inside it. He did have a big smile on his face, but did make me think 'Who would do a job like that?'

I started my working life on a farm so am under no illusion it's Disneyland and absolutely understand the need to limit deer numbers. However, I will never understand the need to hunt with dogs in order to shoot deer (as they do on Exmoor for example) or the need to dress up and blow horns in order to go out and do this for pleasure three times a week.

I feel the same about people who and romp around in tweed and kneesocks blowing millions of purpose bred fat birds from the sky in a valley and then not eating them.

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@IfYouPutASausageInItItsNotAViennetta
routinely gaslight, harass and accuse them of dishonesty, in order to capitalise on their trauma

that sounds like you have had a very negative experience with insurers and met some very unprofessional loss adjusters. I worked in this field for a while and that certainly wasn't the case in my experience. Most were practical and empathetic, (although not as empathetic as they should be in some cases).There were fairly strict industry standards, gaslighting and harassing definitely is not an acceptable norm, the people you describe should have been reported.