To think Palestine Action isn't a terrorist group?

[NotDarkGothicMama]

I don't agree with what they've done (breaking into military bases to vandalise planes), but I don't understand why they're being proscribed. Extinction Rebellion and Just Stop Oil have caused far more damage to property and general annoyance.

Arrest and prosecute the people who commit criminal acts, absolutely, but this is setting the bar for branding protestors "terrorists" far too low.

Brize Norton should be thanking it's lucky stars they are not a serious malign terrorist organisation. Look at what could have happened if they were. Disgraceful that it's possible to breach security in this way. Very, very slack.

True to a greater or lesser degree but that doesn't get the activists off the hook at all.

Well, obviously not. Who would be stupid enough to suggest such a thing?

Well obviously the majority of mumsnet disagree with you and so does the government so 🙄
www.gov.uk/government/news/three-groups-to-be-proscribed#:~:text=Three%20dangerous%2C%20terrorist%20groups%20will,Russian%20Imperial%20Movement%20(RIM).

Reading this I can’t see why they can’t get extinction rebellion and just stop oil classified as terrorist organisations as well. I’m fed up with the violent protests and marches. I’m fed up with the environmental ones throwing soup at everything and blocking roads and risking lives. I’m fed up with the marches every weekend and feeling like you can’t go into town shopping due to them. I agree, they’re like left wing Tommy Robinsons.

This ☝️
terrorism in the UK now includes protest 🤷‍♀️

Well parliament and the house of Lords voted on Wednesday and PA was proscribed as a terrorist organisation and the high court threw out PAs appeal last night and at midnight last night they became a terrorist organisation.
The 1st 20+ arrests happened today.
Share token for the telegraph article about today's arrests and some info about the Brize Norton twits

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/54bda47f84b64045

No, protest does not include criminal damage and undermining national security.

Don’t be so ridiculous. Protest is standing in a square and peacefully making a case for your personal point of view.

Googling him, it would appear that he's one of the idiots who decided that the best way to protest against pollution was to glue themselves to an - er - electric train.

I take it you mean the bastards who committed the atrocities in Israel that caused the war

It’s a damn shame someone more warm heated than me pulled the emergency cord on said train…….

This is another indication of poor mental health support in this country.

Protest has, throughout time, included criminal damage. They did not undermine national security. If anything they are responsible for improving it. The security they breached was ridiculously weak and sloppy. What if a real terrorist, you know those who seek to kill and maim people, had gone in there? Palestine Action’s breach of the fence has resulted in security being improved to where it should be.

And what about the one who attacked a police officer with a sledge hammer? Was he somehow doing the country a favour too?

And it’s good for taxpayers to have to pay for the millions it cost to repair those planes?

Because inconvenience and minor damage aren't the same as violence and causing serious damage to Britain's defences.

Incidentally this mob have also damaged weapons intended for Ukraine so they're helping the Russians out as well.

I do agree with that but I was more thinking about this bit in the CPS definition

• endangering a person's life (other than that of the person committing the action);
• creating a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public;

surely with all the stopping of ambulances and the m25/dartford crossing gantry stuff that would be endangering a person’s life?? Iirc when the dartford crossing people were sentenced the judge said they had risked other peoples lives?

I haven’t heard of the man attacking a Police Officer. Anyone breaking the law should be prosecuted and sentenced appropriately. As for tax payers paying for the damage. That applies to all damage in the public sphere. Proscribing the group as a terrorist organisation is ridiculous over-reach and actually quite dangerous in a society that supposedly values freedom of speech.

@StrikeForever

Yes base security was a mess but

They did not undermine national security. If anything they are responsible for improving it

Nope.

The UK Voyager fleet has two main roles.

Firstly - air to air refuelling (using a system that is in no way compatible with USAF or Israeli aircraft) of aircraft such as Typhoon, which are used to help monitor and protect UK national airspace.

Secondly carrying passengers (which sometimes includes civilians) and freight to support places such as the Falklands.

I think total Voyager numbers are 14, so knocking 2 out, even temporarily reduces the ability to do the above so very definitely undermines national security.

If you haven't heard about the police officer being attacked with a sledge hammer then that means you haven't even done the most basic research of e.g. reading this thread.

Irrespective of our differing views, do you really believe that this group should be classed as terrorist group along with Isis? Isn’t it more appropriate to bring criminal charges and prosecute those members who break the law?

None of these people supported Palestine prior to Hamas' murder spree

One for the lawyers and experts in law I guess.

Even if PA aren't advocating the sort of violence ISIS generally specalise in there should be a special place In hell reserved for those who think it's a jolly jape to damage the engines on a long range passenger carrying twin engined aircraft such as an A330.

May not be ISIS style terrorism but frankly similar sanctions need to be applied to anyone directly involved in what was done at Brize..

To me it's criminal damage, not terrorism. I'd absolutely make the individuals personally pay for the repairs, but it isn't the same as putting a bomb on a bus and murdering people!

I think if we are going to use terrorism laws here, then those fuckwits who glued themselves to roads and blocked ambulances are also terrorists because what they did actually threatened lives!

"Criminal damage' is getting off lightly but possibly a charge that the CPS feel they can make stick but it really trivialises what's gone on here.

For context damaging an aircraft to the extent that is unfit for flight/potentially dangerous to fly is covered by the Aviation Security Act and the penalty for being found guilty if charged under that act can (quite rightly) be life in prison.

I'm no lawyer, but I suspect that there would need to be some kind of intent to endanger life proven, rather than it just being a consequence.