To think Palestine Action isn't a terrorist group?

[NotDarkGothicMama]

I don't agree with what they've done (breaking into military bases to vandalise planes), but I don't understand why they're being proscribed. Extinction Rebellion and Just Stop Oil have caused far more damage to property and general annoyance.

Arrest and prosecute the people who commit criminal acts, absolutely, but this is setting the bar for branding protestors "terrorists" far too low.

Can we call Palestine and entire terrorist state, then? Or, indeed, Iran?

Well, the Gaza Strip is run by a terrorist organisation called Hamas. The same organisation who run the Gaza health ministry there, Hamas. The same terrorist organisation who committed mass rape, murder and abduction in Israel on 7th October.

So do we call Gaza a terrorist state , given its run by (its government is) a terrorist organisation called Hamas?

It’s a quandary.

Penny Mordunt is saying these planes were the type used to fly aid to Gaza.

Well she would wouldn't she

Well yes, do they have a coherent government that is willing to work within the usual parameters of the international framework?

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"According to the UK Defence Journal, defence sources said this was ‘inaccurate’ and that RAF Voyagers based at Brize Norton are primarily used to support Operation Shader, the UK’s ongoing mission against Daesh in Iraq and Syria.
They said the aircrafts were not used to support Israeli operations."

The planes that fly aid to Gaza from Brize Norton appear to be a different type. https://www.raf.mod.uk/news/articles/uk-participates-in-largest-international-aid-drop-into-gaza1/

I’m sure PAG will be really happy to find they’ve done Isis a solid.

She isn't the only person saying that, to be fair.

I wonder if anyone is surprised to find that there are no planes that fly from Brize Norton to bomb Gaza but there are planes that fly from Brize Norton to bring aid to Gaza.

Well, it doesn't fit a certain narrative, does it.

God I just had a thought, there probably are PAG who think that Isis are anti-colonialist and anti-imperialism and we should definitely be not bothering them.

It’s called Akrotiri. When you’re this ill informed and ignorant of basic facts why on earth should anyone be interested in your opinion?

Personally, I think if you don't recycle properly, pay your taxes, earn a good wage and keep to a perfect BMI, you're a terrorist. Because it inconveniences the state. Pretty sure that's the definition.

This is the stupidest thing I've read all day, and I read India Willoughby tweeting that she was 'Team Iran'.

@DustyTangerine

"It’s called Akrotiri"

True, though "Akrateri" is probably as close as many get after a few Kokinelis. 😉

I read India Willougby said that India Willougby is a woman! You can’t trust a word India Willoughby says.

Or more self interest

If the plane can't fly and Russia attacks tomorrow are you going to defend us?

Have you heard of countries called Russia and Ukraine at all?

That's interesting that you've changed your mind.

I have been reading a book about how people change their minds - and it's a really interesting process - and one that has to come from the person themselves.

Being given facts doesn't change people's minds. But getting people to think about how strongly they support something and what reasons there could be for not supporting something fully, exploring doubts, does play a role

And that is why interfering with them is a very serious offence with very serious consequences.

Those signs outside military bases are not for show. They have meanings and consequences.

Potentially 14 years on jail

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/national-security-bill-factsheets/prohibited-places-national-security-bill-2022-factsheet

Of course they aren't a terrorist group. They haven't done anything to cause terror, which I believe is a fundamental requirement of a terrorist group. They haven't been violent or intimidated anyone. Neither have they threatened to be violent.

They have committed a crime but that's not the same.

Are you going to revise that opinion of them after learning that their members assaulted two police officers with sledge hammers?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mnnje4wlro.amp

Unlikely, don’t you think? Though the OP has changed her mind so perhaps I’m being unduly cynical.