People no longer have pride In how they drsss.

[Welliesandtweed]

I've increasingly noticed that people are getting scruffier and scruffier in how they dress.

Some of the secretaries where I work come in, In trainers, band t shirts, coloured hair, loose fitting, cheap tops. I wouldn't do the garden in some of the outfits I see. They aren't typically patient facing but on occasion are. I think it really lacks professionalism to turn up scruffy to work.

Same for people out for an evening meal in jogging bottoms.

On Saturday we had sports day at school and every woman was in a nice dress and men in chinos / short chinos and shirts. Children all in proper PE uniform. It was so refreshing to see.

I actually love woman dressing maculine, it screams power, no nonsense and strength.

I hate that attitude. Nothing wrong with women wearing clothing signified as masculine if they want to but there's something deeply misogynistic in thinking that means being powerful, no nonsense and strength.

You know an awful lot of vicars

As I say... lots of churches don't agree with this attitude because it's kind of... anti what Jesus would have done?

Drsssy?

I do actually...

It comes from being active in the church life

(Also, some of those apply to more than one)

I agree. You can be dressed up and comfortable. Nowadays most clothes have some kind of stretch; flat shoes are comfortable and can be elegant. Comfort does not justify a scruffy look. Dressed up does not mean pencil skirts, white shirt and heels (having said that, I own a stretch pencil skirt that is one of the most comfortable pieces in my wardrobe - I like to wear it with Doc Martens). Well-dressed means clean clothes in good condition, and an overall agreeable presence, regardless of the style you favour.

Comfortable? Jeans? Jeans are one of the most uncomfortable items of clothing you can wear imo. It baffles me that people want to wear them to the theatre where they are going to be sat down for several hours.

Personally I wouldn’t wear leggings or tracksuits out unless I was going to the gym, but it doesn’t really, bother me if other people do. I don’t want to look the same as everyone else anyway, it’s boring to me. To me, clothes are a form of self expression, like art. If people want to wear ‘comfy’ clothes then fair enough, but often, I think that women dress this way because they’ve given up, lost confidence, don’t know what suits them, they want to hide in some sort of camouflage etc, which is sad imo.

Have to say, I do like men in shirts. Unless he’s chilling at home or going to play sport, tracksuit bottoms on a man gives me major ick. Maybe that’s also why I don’t wear them myself!

Agreed. Or when it's hot or when it's cold.

Some people find jeans incredibly comfortable. And also jeans are considered quite appropriate for smart casual

I wasn’t born until the late 80s but I do kind of admire their sense of style. At a time when gender inequalities were more pronounced, shoulder pads and heels seem like the women’s way of squaring up to men in the workplace, meeting them at eye level, and not looking like the weaker sex. I think clothing is so interesting, it can have a big impact on you feel, and I think there are reasons why some women feel (or felt) that heels were empowering.

It’s possible, but I doubt that many people find hard, stiff fabric and restrictive waistlines physically comfortable. I think the comfort is more psychological. People want to blend in, like the teenagers all wearing the same north face jacket.

Not all jeans are hard and stiff and restrictive...

I can see that they'd be uncomfortable - if they didn't fit.

It's true that they're a safe option but then so are various other things these days. I wear them because good jeans are smart, even if they're not formal, and they're hard wearing. And in fact they're more comfortable than cheaply made alternatives.

Live and live I say,
Do you also judge people with tattoos and piercings? One of my friends has a sleeve and he's the kindest sweetest guy I know
He's a Clinical lead nurse!
Personally I care about my appearance but I'm not obsessed
I'm Petite, gamine style and wear a Parisian style capsule " wardrobe" with minimal natural make up
Frankly I couldn't tell you what someone was wearing 5 minutes afterwards.

I can't bear soft floppy fabric like joggers and sweat pants
I need firm structure like denim cord crisp cotton and linen

I absolutely agree, but if there is no official dress code which is enforced, there will always be some who turn up scruffy and inappropriately dressed. By dress code, I don't mean those archaic ones about women having to wear heels and make-up, but things like ripped jeans and slogan tees are for casual wear rather than the office. If management don't care, there's nothing you can do. Logically, I know I shouldn't care how people look as long as they are good at their job. When my father had a very bad accident some years ago, the senior orthopaedic surgeon who turned up looked like a tramp, unshaven and in a frankly grubby fleece jacket - but he saved my father's leg, which was very badly damaged, so it's actions that really matter.

Then you're wearing the wrong jeans.

She totally changed the context it was meant in with her reply!

What's the difference between joggers and sweatpants?

I think that it is all a bit sad that people just look so awful in grey joggers and sliders wherever you look. It’s like a different sort of uniform now. If it people looked nice and casual fair enough but sadly on most it really looks quite awful. It is quite refreshing to see someone looking good these days. Spent time in Italy and France recently they dress so much better.

That is ridiculously ugly.

And in my mind, it looks "old lady like".

Because style, fashion, "femininity" are all subjective and down to the individual.

Stop trying to act like you are the only person who knows "how to dress". You have your style, we have ours. Me wearing trainers or walking boots or even being barefoot with a dress or shorts on makes no difference to your life. Me having to dress to suit you, however, makes a big difference to mine.

Get a grip, and get over the idea that women "should" do anything.

Sweat shirts that should've said

Are you only buying cheap jeans?

Denim can be soft and more flexible, and as it wears it gets better.

Try a good pair of jeans and you'll see. Not "fashion" jeans. Proper ones.

Ah, thank you.