People no longer have pride In how they drsss.

[Welliesandtweed]

I've increasingly noticed that people are getting scruffier and scruffier in how they dress.

Some of the secretaries where I work come in, In trainers, band t shirts, coloured hair, loose fitting, cheap tops. I wouldn't do the garden in some of the outfits I see. They aren't typically patient facing but on occasion are. I think it really lacks professionalism to turn up scruffy to work.

Same for people out for an evening meal in jogging bottoms.

On Saturday we had sports day at school and every woman was in a nice dress and men in chinos / short chinos and shirts. Children all in proper PE uniform. It was so refreshing to see.

What's all this "naice" about? Isn't that being mean?

I wonder if little Sheridan won his race? 😄

It's pathetic. It gets used here all the time along with "pearl clutching" when posters can't be bothered, or more likely lack the ability, to frame an actual point.

It's similar to the sneering use of "Tristram" and "Hermione" and similar supposedly posh children's names.

They are usually handy pointers however that the posts can just be ignored.

No meaner than OP looking down on someone for.... coloured hair gasp

This is all very bizarre. Are we not talking about being groomed, clean and presentable? As opposed to gorgeous young babe.

I have been criticised because I have aged (can't wear high heels or bare midriff, flawless complexon). I put on 5 pounds in menopause and adapted my clothes to tailored/casual as opposed to youthful polished glamour. Yes I hate it but I have to accept it. Ageing is not an excuse not to be presentable.

The question is really what classes as presentable - clean, with privates covered, with some respect for the expectations in specific circumstances ( if black has been requested at a funeral ,or business smart specified for a work presentation ) is what many people think

others put more restrictions on people - they shouldn’t be wearing trainers, they shouldn’t dye their hair that colour , they should wear a fitted dress, they shouldn’t wear bright colours, that’s too tight, that’s too loose … the restrictions that sone people want to place on others is imo, ridiculous

apparentky I was wrong in fitting in with my office normal of rather casual clothes - jeans and a T-shirt being OK by the management but not for OP

wouldn’t be so bad people havibg opinions - but when they extend to insisting on heels or other clothing that is impractical then it’s reallly a bit much

It depends. Earlier in the thread it was said that it attending a funeral is what shows respect to the deceased and their family. But I am very glad that no adult attended my father's funeral in a cow onesie and explained to me that his attendance was what counted. Everyone thinks clothes matter. Everyone thinks there's a line to draw somewhere. I don't think those who say 'you do you' are being accurate about what they really think.

I don't think clothes matter that much. As long as someone is reasonably covered, clean, and reasonably tidy I honestly couldn't care less what they wear. If someone chose to wear a cow onesie to a parent's funeral, once again I couldn't care less. So no, not "everyone" thinks clothes matter. I hope people are comfortable and happy with their clothing choice, that's as far as it goes.

Well, clearly you do think clothes matter. You think a person should be covered, clean and tidy - to your standards, which you describe as reasonable - as anyone might describe their own standards.

Everyone has their limit, including you, and society does have rules about what is normally acceptable, so that people know how not to be unintentionally rude, and the hypothetical example of a cow onesie is clearly across it, I think.

All? I don’t think so. I’m not in a tribe for a start.

You don’t ‘have’ to do anything, though.

BitOutOfPractice means tribe in a cultural sense. And she's right- clothes are chosen with the intention of signifying political and cultural beliefs.

Okay, I'll bite. To be honest I couldn't care less if people want to wander down the street naked, I wouldn't be offended, but you are clearly being ridiculous. My reasonably covered, clean, and reasonably tidy was actually in response to the OP and her nonsense views. I don't care what anyone else wears, it has zero to do with me.

I walked past a church where a funeral service was in place the other day and saw a man wearing jeans - perfectly acceptable here. I've yet to see someone in a onesie but if I did, other than laugh - with them, not at them - I wouldn't turn a hair.

I'm not in the UK, people here are a bit more laid back (thank goodness!).

What did I say that you found ridiculous? The onesie example?

Yes, I know that 😂. I still don’t have a tribe.

What's the opinion on a female turning up to a black tie event in a pair of tight jeans? I thought it was odd.

Clothes are a shorthand and do signify where we do/would like to belong.

Think about band t-shirts and how they signal that we fit into that society. Or the shouting about people "culturally appropriating" clothing.

We use clothes to stand out or to blend in.
People who say they dont are simply just not aware of it. For instance I doubt you'd just buy a slogan t-short without checking what the slogan says and whether it fits in with your view points.

Years ago I was stopped on the street by a local reporter doing a vox pop, and he wanted to know if I'd buy fake designer clothes. I said no I wouldn't, but put on the spot I couldn't articulate why, as I never give the slightest thought to designer clothes, fake or otherwise, and he went away with the impression that it's because they're fake. But I later realised it's because designer clothes are not my style and not tribe. Not only I am not fussed about them, I'd actively avoid them.

I think a cow onesie at a funeral would be highly unusual and there would be a reason behind it (like a private joke, or a bet with the deceased)

Whereas the comment about funerals was actually to do with jeans and not wearing smart black

Someone wore leggings and a baggy top to our wedding. Partner of a friend. It really stands out in our pictures as that's not what you wear to a wedding ( wedding was about us, not her, just mean that although we didn't set a dress code, everyone else knew to wear something smart to a wedding. It's the unwritten rules of right clothes for the right event.

Sounds like someone who is uncomfortable with their size and what they look like in "nice" outfits

So nicely judgemental of them

My GP wears tracksuit bottoms and trainers to work regularly. He's a great doctor and got to the bottom of my health issues where others had failed.

I know- I used it to illustrate that actually everyone has their standards, even if they say it doesn't matter, and I reckon I proved my point.

Nor am I- I'm in NZ, which is the most laid back country in the world regarding dress standards.

Or at least that's the official version. The reality is a deadening conformity, mixed with poppy-cutting of people who make more of an effort. I reckon people who take pride in their appearance are more likely to be the tolerant ones

Agree re NZ being laid back re dress. I lived in NZ for a while, and one day had to visit a medical consultant (private clinic rather than hospital) and was surprised to see him wearing Hawaaian shirt, shorts and flip-flops. Also amazed to see people going around barefoot in the shops.