To think the US was right to bomb Iran? What am I missing?

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I am no fan of Trump. I’m very much left wing.

But am I missing something here? Why has everyone become such huge supporters of Iran? The world is a safer place as a result of removing their capability to develop nuclear weapons? Why is everyone carrying on like Iran is a victim and they were truly just trying to implement peaceful nuclear capabilities? Has everyone lost the plot?

Tulsi Gabbard and the U.S. Intelligence confirmed a few weeks ago that Iran was NOT building nuclear weapons.

She changed her tune yesterday, for some reason🙄

So you are certain Iran can develop a nuclear weapon and it’ll be fine?

Most leaders are concerned, even those who’ve tried agreements in last decade or so.

Why are you so sure it would be ok for Iran to have those weapons?

How many Israeli deaths and how many Palestinian? How many Palestinians have the Israeli government killed? A people under occupation have the right under international law to defend themselves.

Which leaders? Those who really need Iran to be weakened to make sure they keep controle in the region? Those we have witnessed gaslighting us about Gaza for almost 2 years?

Those who don't do shit for their respective countries but spend every day worrying about what happened thousand miles away?

Them?

Nearly all leaders agree it’s a bad idea for Iran to develop nuclear capability, some on mn think it’s fine.

I’m wondering how you and others are so certain

'How many Palestinians have the Israeli government killed?'

Hundreds of thousands according to terrorists hamas, the gazan official spokespeople. Those bastions of telling the truth.

Any civilian casualties have been because terrorists hide among the civilians. Those intent om murdering don't tend to release warnings to vacate like the IDF did.

WHO on MN thinks it’s fine?

"the Isrealis have ( until recently) killed 10 Palestinians for every Isreali the Palestinians have managed to kill"

The operative word here is MANAGED. If the Palestinians had the military might that Israel does, they'd have completely wiped Israel out. Not a Jew would be left standing. The fact that Palestinians still exist shows great restraint from Israel. There have been over 50,000 separate terrorist attacks from the Palestinians since the late 90s, they provoke and provoke and Israel can take no more. Maybe if Hamas had spent more of that international aid on an iron dome, rather than on weapons that they hide in schools and hospitals, not so many of them would be dead? Maybe if they stopped attacking Israel, there wouldnt be any war? The numbers are irrelevant, the intent is what matters. If Israel WANTED to kill Palestinians, they'd be dead, Israel has the military means, it controls the borders, the fact that they let thousands of tonnes of aid through every day says it all. If their aim was the eradication of gazans, there would be no Gazans. If Gaza had the miltary means that Israel has, there would be no Israel. The fact that Israel protects its citizens means fewer Israeli deaths, its a pity Hamas doesnt give a damn about its own citizens.
As Golda Meir said,
"We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us."

considering how often the west gets accused of western imperialism etc, would the better option be for the west to completely pull out of the region ?

@Toomuchheattodayread the last few posts from the pp it was only a couple of minutes ago.

No need for caps btw

The people on mn who think it's fine will be the same sort who carry 'LGBT support palestine' placards. Seemingly unaware that they'd be thrown from buildings in gaza.

*All European and American "leaders"

As I said, they need to stay in controle of the region for theboil. The U.S. just bombed Iran. Of course theybare gonna parrot what they have been told to say.

If the Palestinians had the military might that Israel does, they'd have completely wiped Israel out. Not a Jew would be left standing. The fact that Palestinians still exist shows great restraint from Israel. There have been over 50,000 separate terrorist attacks from the Palestinians since the late 90s, they provoke and provoke and Israel can take no more. Maybe if Hamas had spent more of that international aid on an iron dome, rather than on weapons that they hide in schools and hospitals, not so many of them would be dead? Maybe if they stopped attacking Israel, there wouldnt be any war? The numbers are irrelevant, the intent is what matters. If Israel WANTED to kill Palestinians, they'd be dead, Israel has the military means, it controls the borders, the fact that they let thousands of tonnes of aid through every day says it all. If their aim was the eradication of gazans, there would be no Gazans. If Gaza had the miltary means that Israel has, there would be no Israel. The fact that Israel protects its citizens means fewer Israeli deaths, its a pity Hamas doesnt give a damn about its own citizens.
As Golda Meir said,
"We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us."

So you’d prefer Iran to be left alone to develop weapons? I can’t share your certainty it would be fine.

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It is quite hostile though, isn’t it?

What would you do @Toomuchheattodayre Iran other than call people bots

Israel hasn't vowed to obliterate another country and murder all its civilians. Israel is not run by religious nutters, it is educated, civilised and rational. It also doesnt cut off hands for petty theft, stone women to death for adultery or throw gay people off tall buildings.... so there is that...

Aye, right. The hasbara doesn't work anymore now we all have access to social media. Israel can ban international journalists from Gaza but we can still see the truth.

if Palestine had had the capability to build a big military it’s quite possible that very few of them would actually want to annihilate the Jewish people . we will never know but most rich and successful countries are not hot beds of hate

Isreal is the exception that proves the rule . And actually I don’t believe all isrealis want to anihilate the Palestinians and other Muslims

As it is that is speculation that has been used to justify the abuse and killing of Palestinians for decades - better kill them ans humiliate them because they hate us so much they would kill us in an instant

end up like a dog that’s been beat too much ?

I would not attack and it’s already been explained many times on this thread why people don’t think this is a good plan.

And you see no difference between China and the US?

You are right. Information can be cherry picked. We can pretend that the intelligence shows whatever we want it to - so there is no point in insisting that it showed that Iran wouldn't have nuclear weapons for years.

It is happening now because of the heightened tension between Israel and Iran. Israel is the US’ ally.

I'd prefer we stop meddling in the region. I'd prefer we focus on being self suficient and invest in ourselves instead of spending all the money advancing corporations interest in other countries. I'd prefer politicians spending as much energy speaking up for their citizens as they do for Israel.

I'd prefer we spend money putting our war criminals on trial rather than bombing Iran for something they might or might not do.