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The US has bombed Fordow and other sites.

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MistressoftheDarkSide · 22/06/2025 01:19

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/22/israel-iran-war-live-trump-says-us-has-attacked-nuclear-sites-in-iran-including-fordow

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Xenia · 24/06/2025 16:44

There is a huge amount of anti Israel propaganda out there which is full of things that are untrue or twisted. What is very clear however is Iran is our arch enemy and means us harm here in the UK and I hope MI5 is doing its job to track the enemies in our midst.

MushMonster · 24/06/2025 16:56

GretaGreen · 24/06/2025 15:01

His strong reaction is because he is embarrassed, his ego has been hit. He knows he has been played. He dropped the bombs for Netanyahu and Netanyahu couldn't give a shit about him and gives nothing in return. The Israeli government looks out for Israel end of, there are no allies just countries they use to achieve their aims. Look at how quick they were to accuse the UK government of being terrorist supporters and tried to blackmail them with more West Bank annexation if the UK recognised Palestine. Toe the line or the Israeli government will smear your name and turn on you quicker than a rabid dog.

I did see a lawyer for Israel saying, in the UK Parliament, that the West was encouraging terrorists a while back (youtube is the source).... Now I was well appalled and angry at that. And it was after I had read Netanyahu's "what is wrong with that?" about arming "groups" in Gaza. I am still furious about that!

I would also like to add that I do not think Netanyahu is really working in Israel's interest, at all. He thinks so and he has a big funclub. He definitively could not care less about any other country. But if he, really and deeply, wanted the best for Israel's future, he would have been debating with Palestinians how to sort their States, once and for all. And being a good neighbour in ME, since a long time ago. So long ago that it would be settled by now. But not fir him. He has, instead, jeopardised every step towards peace, nevermind who or what he has to bomb or step on.

DaringlyDizzy · 24/06/2025 17:12

mrsrtobinson · 24/06/2025 16:06

I'd like to see where your figures came from?

Do you remember that Hamas put out the information that Israel had bombed a hospital and killed 500 people?
In actual fact it was a stray rocket that they had fired themselves that fell in the hospital car park denting the ground and damaging a couple of cars.

As I said "propaganda".

Funny I remember seeing live instagram videos of this event the israel claim was a stray missile by Hamas. Many many bodies ripped apart. Funny how people are so quick to support a genocidal entity when its on their side!

loopinloo · 24/06/2025 17:39

mrsrtobinson · 24/06/2025 11:48

Iran and its proxies, including the terrorist organizations Hamas and Hezbollah, seek to plunge the region into a future of endless hatred and violence. They want their cult of death to indoctrinate the minds of yet another generation.

And they want to deny Israelis, Palestinians, and a host of Arab states the ability to advance a future of further integration, prosperity, and coexistence across the region.
They should not allowed to succeed.

So what do you propose as a solution? Do you genuinely believe these strikes will be effective in weakening Iran’s influence—or are they more likely to harden positions, escalate regional tensions, and push Iran’s nuclear ambitions further underground?

mrsrtobinson · 24/06/2025 17:42

DaringlyDizzy · 24/06/2025 17:12

Funny I remember seeing live instagram videos of this event the israel claim was a stray missile by Hamas. Many many bodies ripped apart. Funny how people are so quick to support a genocidal entity when its on their side!

Maybe you can post these live instagram videos you claim to have seen?

Or at least give a link?

That would be useful.

mrsrtobinson · 24/06/2025 17:50

loopinloo · 24/06/2025 17:39

So what do you propose as a solution? Do you genuinely believe these strikes will be effective in weakening Iran’s influence—or are they more likely to harden positions, escalate regional tensions, and push Iran’s nuclear ambitions further underground?

Why are you asking me for a solution?

Iran have been very clear what their aim is - the destruction of the State of Israel. They persecute Christians as well.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202402207730

Iran is a pariah state with a homicidal agenda that can't be reasoned with.

Christian Arrests In Iran Surge Amid Ongoing Persecution

The 2023 annual report by the London-based organization, Article18, has revealed an increasing number of Christians arrested in Iran last year, up from 134 to 166 since 2022.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202402207730

DaringlyDizzy · 24/06/2025 18:08

mrsrtobinson · 24/06/2025 17:42

Maybe you can post these live instagram videos you claim to have seen?

Or at least give a link?

That would be useful.

Edited

Clearly you dont understand how live instagram videos work. They are taken, live, whislt the event is happening.

Feel free to follow people on the ground in Palestine and youll come across many live videos!

mrsrtobinson · 24/06/2025 18:10

loopinloo · 24/06/2025 17:39

So what do you propose as a solution? Do you genuinely believe these strikes will be effective in weakening Iran’s influence—or are they more likely to harden positions, escalate regional tensions, and push Iran’s nuclear ambitions further underground?

What do you see as a solution when Hamas ( a proxy of Iran ) has said they want to repeat the 7th October massacre.

The October 7 Massacre was described by Ghazi Hamad, a Hamas official, as, “...just the first time, and there will be a second, a third, a fourth, because we have the determination, the resolve, and the capabilities to fight…”

I don't think ignoring them in the hope they'll go away is going to work, do you?

Anyway I'm all ears & eyes awaiting your suggestions(s).

mrsrtobinson · 24/06/2025 18:13

DaringlyDizzy · 24/06/2025 18:08

Clearly you dont understand how live instagram videos work. They are taken, live, whislt the event is happening.

Feel free to follow people on the ground in Palestine and youll come across many live videos!

No, I'm not that IT savvy.

So what you're saying is that there is no proof of what you claim?

Interesting

DaringlyDizzy · 24/06/2025 18:26

mrsrtobinson · 24/06/2025 18:13

No, I'm not that IT savvy.

So what you're saying is that there is no proof of what you claim?

Interesting

No what I am saying is that millions of people saw the live videos and if you could educate yourself in the basic function of clicking 'follow' on instagram you would see these deemed-mythical videos, live, with your own eyes ;)

Cant say the proof doesnt exist if you refuse to look!

EasternStandard · 24/06/2025 18:33

Hopefully the ceasefire will hold. News saying it is atm

Israel pulled back by US

Thegreyhound · 24/06/2025 18:37

mrsrtobinson · 24/06/2025 15:23

Palestine Action tried to sabotage an RAF aeroplane - that's treason because it's working against the elected government. (Stupidly those zealots didn't realise that the plane was being used to deliver aid to Gaza. So you can blame Palestine Action if starving people miss out on some aid drops.)

"migrants are not a threat to civilisation unless you’re a giant racist".

So why is the government going to draw up "league tables" of crimes by different nationalities, unless there is a problem?

https://unherd.com/newsroom/britain-is-long-overdue-a-migrant-crime-league-table/

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-labour-is-finally-publishing-migrant-crime-league-tables/

If unherd and the spectator are your go to media sources then I’m not surprised you are misinformed. They’re the print wing of GB news
Also, what aid over Gaza?! Pull the other one.

AnnaBalfour · 24/06/2025 18:48

@mrsrtobinson

Just out of curiosity, how many people do you believe have been killed in Gaza since the 7/10 attack?

mrsrtobinson · 24/06/2025 19:29

DaringlyDizzy · 24/06/2025 18:26

No what I am saying is that millions of people saw the live videos and if you could educate yourself in the basic function of clicking 'follow' on instagram you would see these deemed-mythical videos, live, with your own eyes ;)

Cant say the proof doesnt exist if you refuse to look!

I don't have an Instagram account and I'm not in Gaza.

And who are these "millions of people" who claim to have seen this hospital blown up? And which hospital was it again?

mrsrtobinson · 24/06/2025 19:43

AnnaBalfour · 24/06/2025 18:48

@mrsrtobinson

Just out of curiosity, how many people do you believe have been killed in Gaza since the 7/10 attack?

I don't know and I'm disinclined to believe the Gaza Ministry of Health's figures (seeing as they are a mouthpiece for Hamas).

rainingsnoring · 24/06/2025 19:47

MushMonster · 24/06/2025 16:56

I did see a lawyer for Israel saying, in the UK Parliament, that the West was encouraging terrorists a while back (youtube is the source).... Now I was well appalled and angry at that. And it was after I had read Netanyahu's "what is wrong with that?" about arming "groups" in Gaza. I am still furious about that!

I would also like to add that I do not think Netanyahu is really working in Israel's interest, at all. He thinks so and he has a big funclub. He definitively could not care less about any other country. But if he, really and deeply, wanted the best for Israel's future, he would have been debating with Palestinians how to sort their States, once and for all. And being a good neighbour in ME, since a long time ago. So long ago that it would be settled by now. But not fir him. He has, instead, jeopardised every step towards peace, nevermind who or what he has to bomb or step on.

I totally agree.
Israel, the US and, no doubt the UK, and no doubt other rogue elements in society, have a long history of sponsoring terrorists. They are a massive bunch of hypocrites for pretending that they are morally superior to the Iranians.
BN has his agenda, which appears to be the destruction and regime change of multiple other countries in the region. This has been his agenda for decades. Once he is no longer PM, his life is likely to be in danger, of course, as he has many enemies in Israel as well as elsewhere.

rainingsnoring · 24/06/2025 19:50

mrsrtobinson · 24/06/2025 17:50

Why are you asking me for a solution?

Iran have been very clear what their aim is - the destruction of the State of Israel. They persecute Christians as well.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202402207730

Iran is a pariah state with a homicidal agenda that can't be reasoned with.

But a solution is clearly needed, preferably one that actually sticks. Hopefully, nearly everyone can agree on that.
Luckily, none of us are in charge of negotiations but, even if you believe that Iran is 100% at fault and Israel is 0% at fault, and I'm sure you wouldn't be stupid enough to think that, Israel still need to talk to the Iranians in order to find a compromise to ensure peace for all the innocent people caught up in this violence.

rainingsnoring · 24/06/2025 19:53

Porridgepudding · 24/06/2025 13:11

One of the most accurate analysis of the situation 👏

Apart from mis spelling IAEA!
Perimenopausal brain combined with being v pushed for time. 😩

mrsrtobinson · 24/06/2025 19:54

Thegreyhound · 24/06/2025 18:37

If unherd and the spectator are your go to media sources then I’m not surprised you are misinformed. They’re the print wing of GB news
Also, what aid over Gaza?! Pull the other one.

OK. well, when these "League Tables" appear it will be quite interesting. Then you can apologise for calling me "misinformed".

Here it is from the 'horses mouth'

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/statistics-on-foreign-national-offenders-and-the-immigration-system/statistics-on-foreign-national-offenders-and-the-immigration-system

MushMonster · 24/06/2025 19:54

mrsrtobinson · 24/06/2025 18:10

What do you see as a solution when Hamas ( a proxy of Iran ) has said they want to repeat the 7th October massacre.

The October 7 Massacre was described by Ghazi Hamad, a Hamas official, as, “...just the first time, and there will be a second, a third, a fourth, because we have the determination, the resolve, and the capabilities to fight…”

I don't think ignoring them in the hope they'll go away is going to work, do you?

Anyway I'm all ears & eyes awaiting your suggestions(s).

Following from your second paragraph here. How can Netanyahu reconcile with the idea of arming "friendly" terrorist associated people in Gaza? Because I do see a correlation between that crazy shit he is pulling, under our noses, and the future wars. Maybe Netanyahu, his cabinet and the IDF should stop allowing any arms into Gaza, as a start of a solution. Zero arms. 100% aid supplies.

mrsrtobinson · 24/06/2025 20:01

MushMonster · 24/06/2025 19:54

Following from your second paragraph here. How can Netanyahu reconcile with the idea of arming "friendly" terrorist associated people in Gaza? Because I do see a correlation between that crazy shit he is pulling, under our noses, and the future wars. Maybe Netanyahu, his cabinet and the IDF should stop allowing any arms into Gaza, as a start of a solution. Zero arms. 100% aid supplies.

Edited

If what you say is correct then Bibi is working on the principle of "my enemy's enemy is my friend".

This could be a either stroke of tactical genius or a complete clusterfuck.😮

In any event, if they are all fighting among themselves it could save the IDF a task.

rainingsnoring · 24/06/2025 20:07

mrsrtobinson · 24/06/2025 20:01

If what you say is correct then Bibi is working on the principle of "my enemy's enemy is my friend".

This could be a either stroke of tactical genius or a complete clusterfuck.😮

In any event, if they are all fighting among themselves it could save the IDF a task.

Edited

Are you actually condoning this behaviour and making a joke about it?
Why is it entirely unacceptable for Iran to do this but 'a stroke of tactical genius' when BN does the same thing?
Why is it entirely unacceptable for Iran to want a nuclear weapon but Israel is considered no risk at all, despite the crazy man and his friends in charge of the place and the fact that they will not allow any inspections?

Even worse, why is the genocide that has been taking place in Gaza entirely ignored by a number of posters who have commented repeatedly on this and other threads? Is it because the people are Muslim and many people are openly Islamophobic (yes, many are openly anti semitic too but this doesn't make the former okay) or are some people just utterly lacking in humanity that as long as the terrible thing is happening to others and not to them they just don't give a damn?

MushMonster · 24/06/2025 20:09

mrsrtobinson · 24/06/2025 20:01

If what you say is correct then Bibi is working on the principle of "my enemy's enemy is my friend".

This could be a either stroke of tactical genius or a complete clusterfuck.😮

In any event, if they are all fighting among themselves it could save the IDF a task.

Edited

I am of the train of thought that it is and always will be a big clusterfuck.
The comment about saving the IDF a task -today maybe.... But is there no thought for what it will bring tomorrow? Or if an IDF soldier gets killed by those weapons? Or a hostage?
There is zero chance that arming the other side in a conflict is going to bring peace or any sort of solution to the chaos. Zero.

mrsrtobinson · 24/06/2025 20:20

@MushMonster" But if he, [Bibi} really and deeply, wanted the best for Israel's future, he would have been debating with Palestinians how to sort their States, once and for all."

Why is a Palestinian State his problem to sort out?

The Palestinians were offered a 2 State Solution in 1936, 1948, 2000 & 2008

In 1936, in response to the Arab Revolt and increased Arab violence against Jews, the British government appointed a commission of inquiry headed by Lord Peel to assess the cause of the riots and recommend a solution. The Peel Commission recommended partitioning the land into a Jewish state and an Arab one, alongside an international zone stretching from Jerusalem to Jaffa, which would remain under British mandatory authority. The Peel Commission was rejected by the Arabs and, by 1938, Britain had declared the plan unimplementable.

In 1948, the Arabs rejected the Partition Plan, which led to the War of Independence. The plan recommended dividing the British Mandate-controlled area of Palestine into two states, one Arab and one Jewish, with Jerusalem designated as an “international” city. The plan would have granted independence to Palestinians and Jews alike. When Israel declared statehood on May 14, 1948, Arab armies from Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Transjordan attacked the country.
Following Israel's military victory, the Palestinian Arabs failed to create their own state and much of the territory allotted to them by the United Nations was occupied by Jordan (West Bank and East Jerusalem) and Egypt (Gaza and Sinai) or incorporated into the State of Israel.

In July 2000, U.S. President Bill Clinton, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, and Chairman of the Palestinian Authority Yasser Arafat gathered at Camp David for final status negotiations to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Taking place after significant breakthroughs, such as the Oslo Accords, as well as setbacks including the assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, the summit represented a unique opportunity to end the conflict and give birth to a new Middle East.
Unfortunately, it would end in failure, as Arafat rejected Barak’s offer of an independent Palestinian State, which included east Jerusalem as the capital, “religious sovereignty” over the Temple Mount, and for a symbolic number of Palestinians to enter Israel.

In 2008, Palestinian leadership again rejected a land-for-peace offer. This time Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas rejected Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert’s offer that was comparable to Barak’s during the Camp David Summit in 2000. This deal called for Israel to retain some blocs of Israeli communities beyond the 1949 Armistice lines in exchange for territory in Israel.

One can only conclude that the Palestinians only want a Palestinian State without Israel existing.at all.

mrsrtobinson · 24/06/2025 20:21

MushMonster · 24/06/2025 20:09

I am of the train of thought that it is and always will be a big clusterfuck.
The comment about saving the IDF a task -today maybe.... But is there no thought for what it will bring tomorrow? Or if an IDF soldier gets killed by those weapons? Or a hostage?
There is zero chance that arming the other side in a conflict is going to bring peace or any sort of solution to the chaos. Zero.

I didn't say I agreed with it, I just outlined the options.

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