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The US has bombed Fordow and other sites.

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MistressoftheDarkSide · 22/06/2025 01:19

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/22/israel-iran-war-live-trump-says-us-has-attacked-nuclear-sites-in-iran-including-fordow

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EasternStandard · 24/06/2025 06:54

HellsBalls · 24/06/2025 06:20

So how long is the world going to tolerate Iran funding terrorism, getting people murdered, and forcing governments across the world to divert funds from much needed social programmes to defence spending?

Some on here will be disappointed with the ceasefire. The anti west posts have ramped up over last few days.

Very pleased it’s in place.

Thegreyhound · 24/06/2025 06:56

HellsBalls · 24/06/2025 06:29

OK, war is over. Get back to complaining about Israel on the Gaza threads.

We never stopped. Because what Israel is doing to Gaza has appalled the whole world.

rainingsnoring · 24/06/2025 06:56

EasternStandard · 24/06/2025 06:54

Some on here will be disappointed with the ceasefire. The anti west posts have ramped up over last few days.

Very pleased it’s in place.

I haven't seen any poster praising the Iranian regime. It's more than reasonable to be critical of the behaviour of the US. They haven't exactly covered themselves in glory here. Or are you referring to something else?

rainingsnoring · 24/06/2025 06:57

Thegreyhound · 24/06/2025 06:56

We never stopped. Because what Israel is doing to Gaza has appalled the whole world.

Not the whole world, sadly!

mrsrtobinson · 24/06/2025 07:00

Thegreyhound · 24/06/2025 06:54

Threat to Western civilisation ? In what way? Currently I would argue that the biggest threats to Western civilisation are creeping fascism all over the place, Trump, Netanyahu and the billionaire autocracy. Radical Islam comes a long way down the list in terms of its influence and the harm it can do to daily life. Western civilisation is doing a good enough job of destroying itself, or at least hollowing itself out.

"Radical Islam comes a long way down the list in terms of its influence and the harm it can do to daily life."

Really?
Had a look over the Channel recently?

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/520/is-immigration-a-threat-to-uk-security

also, why do we need terrorists from abroad when we have our own home-grown traitors?

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/uk-police-ban-palestine-action-protest-outside-parliament-2025-06-23/

MushMonster · 24/06/2025 07:03

Something I have come across during my readings regarding this war is that Iran nuclear capabilities and intentions have been a concern for long time indeed. And the Nuclear Agency had access and kept inspecting them regularly after diplomatic work and much hassle. That I knew for years as it popped in regularly in the news.
But Israel's nuclear stock is not inspected or regulated by anyone. We have no idea of what they have or what they do with it. Plus some spying and actual stealing from other countries is related to the acquisition of nuclear material. Plus clandestine operations to get material. It is quite a read! So Israel should become a signatory to the international agencies on nuclear and allow for inspections and so on. All countries in the world should. And it is crystal clear that you cannot trust anyone to use their common sense, at all.

FlyMeSomewhere · 24/06/2025 07:25

Totalk · 23/06/2025 20:08

Sorry did you say muslim ex.. are you racist|? Israel is not only a terrorist but a zionist and genocidal country. Full stop!! You are a swearing racist and I do not want to engage in conversation any further with a vile.

Your niaviety is outstanding if you feel upset by the use of the phrase "extremists"! Have you forgotten 9/11? 7/7 bombings? Brussels airport? Parts attacks? Manchester bombing? Southport killings but to name just a few? Never mind all the German market attacks, Barcelona and Munich attacks? How can you say that these people weren't Muslim extremists and that people are being mean and racist by calling them exactly what they are! Ask the families of the dead victims what they would call the people that did these heinous acts!

fffiona · 24/06/2025 07:37

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loopinloo · 24/06/2025 07:51

HellsBalls · 23/06/2025 20:03

@Totalk “and why is Iran not allowed to have nuclear capability when Israel possess nuclear bomb.”

Because Iran is ran by Muslim extremists that have vowed to destroy Israel, and even had a fucking clock ticking down to that day.
You can’t negotiate with those type of people.

You do realise you could just as easily swap “Iran” and “Israel" in that final sentence. It’s disingenuous to present this as a one-sided problem. Simplifying it like this doesn't help anyone understand the actual risks—or solutions.

HellsBalls · 24/06/2025 07:54

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If only Hamas had the common sense of the Iranian leaders.
Give back the hostages, surrender and disband, the war would have ended.
They lost the war on October 8th. They have been crying genocide ever since. They have dragged this out, and it’s the people of Gaza who pay the price.
Hamas cannot win, they never could, they will not be allowed to drag Gaza back into the forever war, the terrorists next door.
Hamas could end the war today.

HellsBalls · 24/06/2025 07:58

loopinloo · 24/06/2025 07:51

You do realise you could just as easily swap “Iran” and “Israel" in that final sentence. It’s disingenuous to present this as a one-sided problem. Simplifying it like this doesn't help anyone understand the actual risks—or solutions.

Israel attack to defend themselves.
Iran just wants to kill Jews and eradicate Israel.
They are not the same.

Sofiewoo · 24/06/2025 08:12

HellsBalls · 24/06/2025 07:58

Israel attack to defend themselves.
Iran just wants to kill Jews and eradicate Israel.
They are not the same.

What action by Iran specifically logically justifies the defence argument?

loopinloo · 24/06/2025 08:12

You do realise Netanyahu has been claiming Iran is “weeks away” from a bomb for nearly two decades—claims that have been repeatedly contradicted by both the IAEA and U.S. intelligence. And you do realise it was Israel that initiated the most recent strikes—targeting safeguarded nuclear facilities that were under international inspection.

Your framing is overly simplistic and ignores decades of regional history, shifting power dynamics, and provocations on both sides. Israel has conducted numerous preemptive strikes, assassinations, and covert operations across sovereign borders. To suggest this is purely one-sided—Israel defending, Iran attacking—is simply not supported by the facts.

The idea that one side is purely defensive and the other purely genocidal flattens the complexity of the conflict. Both governments have made destructive choices. Neither escalation nor dehumanisation brings us any closer to peace or lasting security—for Israelis, Iranians, or anyone in the region.

There are urgent, serious questions to grapple with—especially, “what now?” Statements like yours don’t contribute to that discussion. They deflect from the hard truths that need confronting—on all sides.

AnnaBalfour · 24/06/2025 08:21

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fffiona · 24/06/2025 08:21

HellsBalls · 24/06/2025 07:54

If only Hamas had the common sense of the Iranian leaders.
Give back the hostages, surrender and disband, the war would have ended.
They lost the war on October 8th. They have been crying genocide ever since. They have dragged this out, and it’s the people of Gaza who pay the price.
Hamas cannot win, they never could, they will not be allowed to drag Gaza back into the forever war, the terrorists next door.
Hamas could end the war today.

Yes that would indeed be great. But civilians should never be punished for the actions of their government- the withholding of food is against international law. My thinking is sophisticated enough to recognize that both Hamas and the Israeli Government are at fault. Do you really think this continued punishment of the Gazan population will promote peace? The conditions in Gaza are beyond horrific- I don’t believe anyone can actually really think this is acc. The Israeli population will be the losers in this long term too. but I don’t believe peace is Netanyahu’s primary concern.

Carpman · 24/06/2025 08:30

GentleSheep · 22/06/2025 01:41

Yep. I do think that Iran may retaliate by activating sleeper cells in the US. After all it can't bomb the US directly so that's it's best alternative.

Why are statements about this sort of event inevitably followed by 'the world is a safer place' because of this or that action. I honestly don't think it will be after this, even if it temporarily quiets the latest war between Israel and Iran.

Elam's bow is broken, though. Biblical prophecy fulfilled. (Jeremiah 49:35)

Yawn. Another disingenuous attempt to suggest we are in the "latter days". The Jeremiah quote relates to Elam which was a small area of what is now Iran. The Elamites were considered skilled archers and that's why the bow is described as being broken. After attacks by the Assyrians, Babylonians, and Persians the Elamites were defeated and the area absorbed. This all happened several hundred years BCE. Desperate Christianity will claim anything if it thinks it will justify their cause.

loopinloo · 24/06/2025 08:37

Ilovelifeverymuch · 23/06/2025 23:48

This was how I expected it to go.

Iran will retaliate symbolically, they sent missiles to the US base after giving the US the warning to avoid any causalities. This allows the Iranian regime to claim they hit the evil Satan and shout death to America etc then they will come back to the table.

Iran knows they have no chance against the US and Israel, I mean they don't have a chance against Israel alone not to talk of both countries.

The Ayatollah will also be concerned about increasing anti regime sentiment in Iran which may lead to them being toppled like Assad so they will prefer to choose the better of two bad options, negotiate. The heir to the Iranian Shah in exile has started making noise about coming back which may lead to agitation within Iran for change.

It was obvious neither Russia nor China will enter a war with the US for Iran, Iran is just not worth it. Also Iran's terrorists associates are all weak with Hezbollah announcing they will not be joining the war. Hamas and the Houthis are also weakened by Israeli attacks.

The attack on the base is not new, they did the same a few years ago when the US killed their top general, they shot missiles at a US base that damaged some parts of the base, injured some people but no casualties and acted like they got revenge, they need to keep face to appear strong.

I do hope the ceasefire holds and they can reach a lasting agreement. Frankly I would prefer that the regime falls and Iran can be liberated but that's a decision for the Iranian people not the US.

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Even if Iran chooses not to escalate further, turmoil is almost guaranteed—not just within Iran, but across the region and globally. The U.S. strike risks triggering broader consequences. Russia and China may now feel emboldened to justify future aggression by pointing to this as yet another example of unchecked great power behaviour.

This week’s NATO summit will be revealing. While U.S. allies may express support in public, behind closed doors there will likely be renewed concerns about America’s reliability and Trump’s judgment—especially regarding Article 5. Meanwhile, the U.S. is now more deeply entangled in the Middle East, reducing its capacity to focus strategically elsewhere, particularly in the Indo-Pacific.

If strategists in Washington and Tel Aviv had calculated that airstrikes would exert irresistible pressure on the Iranian leadership, many Iranian analysts suggest the opposite. Nationalist sentiment has risen sharply. Even among those who oppose the Islamic Republic, there's a growing sense that the attack was unjust—and that it aims to diminish Iran as a nation. External threats often unify even the most divided societies. The strikes may have weakened the regime militarily, but politically, they could be exactly what helps consolidate its grip.

Airstrikes may offer a temporary show of strength, but history—from WWII to Kosovo—shows their limited value in achieving lasting political outcomes. Meanwhile, unresolved crises like Gaza resurface, and Washington becomes even more closely bound to Israeli policy decisions—despite increasing uncertainty about whether Israel’s trajectory is driven by a desire for security or regional dominance.

The deeper concern is that the Trump administration appears fundamentally unprepared for the level of strategic thinking this moment demands. There is no clear consensus, no continuity in expertise, and—most crucially—no defined political objective guiding U.S. military actions.

loopinloo · 24/06/2025 08:45

EasternStandard · 24/06/2025 06:54

Some on here will be disappointed with the ceasefire. The anti west posts have ramped up over last few days.

Very pleased it’s in place.

I don’t think anyone genuinely concerned with peace is “disappointed” by a ceasefire. What some are critical of isn’t the ceasefire itself—it’s the path that led us here, and the longer-term consequences that may follow.

Questioning Western actions, especially when they involve bombing internationally monitored nuclear sites or entangling the U.S. more deeply in volatile regional politics, isn’t anti-West—it’s democratic accountability. Strategic missteps should be examined, not glossed over.

I’m also genuinely struggling to understand the logic behind Trump choosing to enter the war directly. What strategic goal does it serve? It’s hard to see how this action enhances U.S. security—or regional stability—when it risks escalating an already volatile situation and weakens diplomatic options going forward.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 24/06/2025 08:53

MushMonster · 24/06/2025 07:03

Something I have come across during my readings regarding this war is that Iran nuclear capabilities and intentions have been a concern for long time indeed. And the Nuclear Agency had access and kept inspecting them regularly after diplomatic work and much hassle. That I knew for years as it popped in regularly in the news.
But Israel's nuclear stock is not inspected or regulated by anyone. We have no idea of what they have or what they do with it. Plus some spying and actual stealing from other countries is related to the acquisition of nuclear material. Plus clandestine operations to get material. It is quite a read! So Israel should become a signatory to the international agencies on nuclear and allow for inspections and so on. All countries in the world should. And it is crystal clear that you cannot trust anyone to use their common sense, at all.

Not only that but there seems to be a high chance that Russia has been trading military tech with Iran; it got the Shahad drone tech from Iran in exchange for ... what? Russia's given nuclear tech to N Korea so it seems not unlikely that something similar has happened with Iran.

Plus Peskov has suggested that some countries could give nuclear bombs to Iran, apparently 🙄

loopinloo · 24/06/2025 08:56

mrsrtobinson · 24/06/2025 06:40

You are misinformed about the Obama deal with Iran. It was a bad deal. That's why Trump ripped it up.

The biggest myth about the Iran Nuclear Agreement is that it will prevent
Iran from developing a nuclear weapon. In fact—by trading permanent concessions for temporary benefits—President Obama has assured that Iran will have an internationally recognized capability to quickly produce enough material for multiple nuclear weapons in 10 to 15 years. That is if Iran does not
cheat.

foreignaffairs.house.gov/files/04_HFAC%20-%20IRAN%20-%20Myths%20and%20Facts.pdf

I struggle to see the argument here. When Trump took office in 2017, the JCPOA had already eliminated 98% of Iran’s enriched uranium stockpile and capped enrichment at 3.67%, well below weapons-grade levels. The deal was designed precisely to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon.

When Trump tore up the JCPOA, he didn’t replace it with a better alternative—there was no new agreement, no diplomatic framework, just “maximum pressure” sanctions and threats. This approach hasn’t prevented Iran’s nuclear progress; instead, it has increased tensions and reduced the leverage for peaceful resolution.

ArtTheClown · 24/06/2025 09:00

Well that didn't take Iran long to break the ceasefire agreement.

loopinloo · 24/06/2025 09:04

Lifesd · 24/06/2025 00:14

And aren’t you lucky to live in a democratic society which lets you express those views, vote against them and live a free life. I only wish the same for people in regimes such as Iran.

In response to your earlier comment: Lifesd · 22/06/2025 01:30
"Good I hope the operation has been successful and irans nuclear capability has been destroyed. Iran is a threat to the west - I don’t think we should be involved in regime change (particularly after disastrous interventions in Lebanon and Syria but I support this action." My response: I’m interested in understanding the logic behind how these strikes have a) made it easier to track Iran’s nuclear capability, and b) increased the likelihood of a leadership change in Iran. Given the complexity of the situation, I’d appreciate any evidence or analysis that supports these outcomes.

fffiona · 24/06/2025 09:24

@Ilovelifeverymuch "It was obvious neither Russia nor China will enter a war with the US for Iran, Iran is just not worth it". In the short term this is true, but what Israeli and US show is that those with power can ignore with impunity the (admittedly very imperfect) systems set up last century to try and prevent another global conflict. This now sets a precedent for the likes of China and Russia to act against other countries on undisclosed "evidence" to supposedly protect their own without the involvement of any of the UN or other international mechanisms.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 24/06/2025 11:36

Agreed, but in fairness both China and Russia are justifying actual or proposed invasions on the grounds that "this is our country anyway" (Ukraine, Tibet, Taiwan, middle-eastern European countries). So far they don't seem to need the excuse/reason that there is 'undisclosed evidence'.

mrsrtobinson · 24/06/2025 11:48

Sofiewoo · 24/06/2025 08:12

What action by Iran specifically logically justifies the defence argument?

Iran and its proxies, including the terrorist organizations Hamas and Hezbollah, seek to plunge the region into a future of endless hatred and violence. They want their cult of death to indoctrinate the minds of yet another generation.

And they want to deny Israelis, Palestinians, and a host of Arab states the ability to advance a future of further integration, prosperity, and coexistence across the region.
They should not allowed to succeed.

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