Wasting NHS resources

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0q2z725llo
If you are fool or vain enough to have weird stuff injected into your face why should the NHS be wasting money on this.
AIBU - Yes the NHS should be there for ABSOLUTLY every medical requirement.
YANBU - People like this should be charged for their treatment as it was self inflicted.

The NHS definitely should not be correcting botched private cosmetic procedures.

And the people who smoke, drink and take drugs?

Two out of those three are taxed at a level that could be seen as contributing towards the associated costs to the public purse.

Where does that end though?

People who are drunk? People who get sporting injuries? People who drive erratically and crash?

I'm never going to have botox myself, but she is entitled to if she wants. The 'villain' here is the person who gave the dodgy botox. She is still entitled to NHS care when unwell. As PP says, many end up in hospital due to accidents when drunk or when engaging in higher risk activities e.g. riding a motorbike, playing rugby etc. I don't believe we should deny health care based on judgements about tbe nature of the issue.

But maybe we should. People should have the freedom to do those things, but there also needs to be some personal responsibility taken for doing them. I think as a society we need to start drawing some clear lines where the taxpayer shouldn't be responsible for peoples poor choices.

So same approach for skiing accidents- a risky sport known for injuries, motorcyclists, hobby cyclists, horse riders, obese people, alcoholics, drug addicts, infection or injury due to piercings . Essentially any injury or illness caused by non essential choices that carry risk?

I see your point, but it's also a slippery slope... if I went for a run, fell and broke my arm... that's largely my fault.

Meh, far better to go after the providers of the injections. Having had the joy of last Saturday night in A&E, I'd say drink and drugs are a far bigger pressure on emergency services.

They were treated in a&e as they had botulism which can be fatal as it attacks nerves. I can kind of see your point (other than the where to draw the line) but this wasn't correcting a procedure or cosmetic, but saving their life. I think that people were unaware that there was an issue with the injections they were getting. There obviously needs to be work on tightening up the supply of botox so this doesn't keep hapenning.

What about type 2 diabetes? COPD? Vastly vastly more money spent on these than fixing botched Botox. (I’m playing devils advocate by the way before others kick off at me)

Agree with others, so many injuries could be classed as self inflicted. You cannot refuse some treatment and not others.

ninjahamster, but the NHS does refuse treatments on a daily basic for either costing too much or having very limited outcomes. If people keep expecting more and more, and keep putting the burden of responsibility for every little thing onto Government eventfully something will break.

I'm not a fan of botox etc but she had the treatment in good faith. Hopefully the practitioner will be prosecuted.

These people are idiots, and the NHS should not be correcting the cosmetic effects. However, if some fuckwit has effectively poisoned them, the NHS should indeed save their live. But I would make it not just the law but routine to go after private companies whose botch ups have cost the NHS money, to recover that money. Probably the most important group to go after would be overseas IVF companies who routinely put back more embryos than is safe, leaving the NHS providing neonatal intensive care to multiple premmies. Those costs should come from the clinics' profits. If I ruled the world... But no, we can't go round refusing emergency treatment to idiots, that would be unethical.

It’s a slippery slope to say anything self inflicted isn’t covered.. a lot of cancer, heart disease, diabetes, not so prevalent or serious anymore thankfully, but AIDS..

let’s not treat any of them.

I have a friend (who 100% deserved it and it increased her quality of life no end) who has breast augmentation on the NHS. Should she not get it? She has turned it all around with confidence and now works, ‘pays in’ and is less of a ‘burden on the tax payer’

This is not botox that went wrong. It was fake botox, and she had it done thinking it was genuine. She absolutely should get NHS treatment.

Let he/she who is without sin cast the first stone! This woman was poisoned because the treatment went wrong! Yes the NHS is there for her - just as it is for food poisoning or for rugby players who break their backs and drunks who fall down the stairs.

And as for type 2 diabetes or COPD - the sufferers have been productive and loved members of society. Do you just want them to drop dead? God, there are some heartless people out there!!

I’ve always worked and paid plenty of taxes so if I happen to arrive at hospital weighing a few pounds above the correct BMI then I still damned well expect to be treated! Maybe you could refuse treatment to non-taxpayers? But that would be cruel and heartless, wouldn’t it??

How do you draw the line? I run a lot, if I trip on a curb and tear my ACL do they refuse me treatment?
You could argue so many things that the NHS does that it “shouldn’t”.

I think if someone is in pain/has an infection/injury/whatever, then they should get treatment. It does not matter how they got to that state.
Do we really want to live in a place that will deny treatment to people based on how they sustained that injury? Leave them in pain etc.
A lot of people in A&E are there because of things they could have avoided if they had just sat and watched TV and did fuck all else. Injuries due to DIY are prevalent.

The NHS is there to help everyone, people who get botched surgery, take drugs, drive dangerously etc.

Plus many pay towards it.

I think as a society we need to start drawing some clear lines where the taxpayer shouldn't be responsible for peoples poor choices.

Surely this is a slippery slope, where would you draw the lines?

Where do you draw the line? Drugs? Alcohol? Rugby injury? Injury from running? Obesity? Hiking accident?

i would charge those that miss appointments without a gen reason