Wasting NHS resources

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0q2z725llo
If you are fool or vain enough to have weird stuff injected into your face why should the NHS be wasting money on this.
AIBU - Yes the NHS should be there for ABSOLUTLY every medical requirement.
YANBU - People like this should be charged for their treatment as it was self inflicted.

Why pick on the over 60's?

I'm not sure it's picking on the over 60s to state it would be a potential way to save money. Plus it won't be free at 60 for today's youth.

Many of them are still working and paying taxes.

Early, so why not pay for prescriptions?

But type 2 diabetes can be genetic so hardly self inflicted in all cases.

and then as I said should people with a genetic predisposition not reproduce or have to pay more?

Over 60s tend to be on more medication. That’s one reason why it’s free.

And why it's expensive! You can get certificates to cap the cost if you are on a lot of medication though. It's about £120 a year.

That's why I said "usually".

And then if the debate is about wasting NHS resources do we look at the costs of treating an ageing population if resources are shrinking? Very dystopian!

I agree about the appointments.

We missed one the other week because the letter arrived 20 mins before the appointment then you cant get through to tell them. Local trust only uses 2nd class post saying text reminders are sent except the text system is erratic and doesnt always work and as its a central booking system it's not anyone's responsibility to think "that letter wont ever get there in time maybe I'll phone them to let them know "

@logicisall but why is someone who skis deserving of health treatment but someone injected unknowingly with a substance not? What is the difference?

The appointment system is a joke. I had one rescheduled to a date I was on holiday, phoned asap to reschedule. Then get a letter saying I have been removed for failed attendance, took a long phone call for them to see that I actually had rescheduled. I also was sent about 4 texts saying "Do not come to the hospital, this is a phone appointment". Get a call from the consultant asking where I am. I don't understand how it's so shit.

Actually won’t the skiers be treated wherever the mountains are? So only a problem in the Cairngorms. But I suppose there’s a follow-up for fractures when they are home.

Lots of my friends have had ski accidents abroad with multiple appointments and treatments once home.

Yes it’s amazing how the rest of the world functions perfectly well with appointments, email, text etc but not the NHS. Considering this is the system we are hoping will save our lives!!!

You have moved from the general to the particular.

Plus you can ski in England (Lake District) & then there are dry slopes.

You have moved from the general to the particular.

So you don't have an answer 👍🏾

The whole thread sums up the problem of a system free to all at the point of access. Either it’s free to all or a lot of unfair judgements are made. Or everyone needs insurance. Maybe something called National Insurance? Except that doesn’t cover the cost of course!

The nhs is its own worst enemy. Drs wont see u so a&e gets flooded.

Missed appointments because letters and texts arrive AFTER the appointment people didn't know about

Unable to leave without prescriptions even though you just had refills you ordered and will order again when necessary.

Medicine you dont need continually added to prescriptions despite constantly asking to have them removed. Paracetamol can be bought cheaply anywhere stop giving it to me.

Refusal to look at the big picture so constantly treating symptoms rather than causes must add up more long term with constant appointments etc.

There's not much that could not be considered self inflicted. Its an extremly slippery slope to start a list of ehats acceptable stupidity/risk taking/exposure and what isn't

No, simply pointed out that you have moved your argument to a particular instance of an unknown substance being injected when I have been referring to botched botox in general.

Your gleeful response it like when the Americans declared victory in Vietnam....and then left.🙄

Where did I say it was private health insurance as that term is understood in the UK? It isn’t. And I agree you have to look at the entire tax system!

No, simply pointed out that you have moved your argument to a particular instance of an unknown substance being injected when I have been referring to botched botox in general.

Err the article linked in the OP is about fake botox...

Your gleeful response it like when the Americans declared victory in Vietnam....and then left.

This clearly sounded much better in your head 🤣🤣

Luxembourg, Germany, Belgium and Switzerland.

What do you mean about private A&E; they take down your mandatory insurance number as you are wheeled in. All of your health history is immediately accessed on line within about 3 mins. It’s very efficient.

Yeah, lets just leave her to suffer, eh🙄

Pregnancy?

People always quote the American system as the only alternative and this is not the case at all; the USA system bears no relation whatsoever to what happens in many countries in some EU countries in which people without exception have obligatory medical insurance and the government regulates the not-for-profit insurance companies, very assiduously.

The insurance companies are based on Christian mutual society principles, they are not intended to create massive profits. And the drug companies are regulated too which means that the price of prescription drugs is often quite modest.

The problem with injectables is the lack of regulation and training. Anyone can do a 1 day course and become an injector. They should tighten the regulation, to ensure only qualified medical professionals carry out this kind of cosmetic work, which would in turn reduce the number of times it goes wrong, and therefore the burden on the NHS.

If you start refusing treatment for things like this, where do you stop? Sports players who break bones? Smokers with cancer? Alcoholics who need their stomachs pumped? Women who chose to get pregnant? There has to be a line drawn somewhere - how do you pick where?